Johny Walker

[KodaKangus]

Crap you idiot. Watch the bullshit you write and quit tryin' to sound so damn poetic about the whole thing. First of all, I did not say it was okay to "bomb" the country. I just think it's okay to "destroy the caves and soil of that godforsaken land of balls in order to root out the hateful cockfucks". Second of all, it wasn't my brother it was my cousin. If it was my brother, I'd say "Hey GW, let's just nuke the fuckin bastards!" And I would, I'm pretty close to my brother.

[Jack Chiefton]

sorry to hear about your cousin kodakangus. But is it neccessary to call the sloth an idiot? Show him some respect for this is his website. Could we now put to rest the Johnny Walker thread? Kangus, you have every right to be angry, but don't take it out on others. If someone chooses to write a poem about this situation, and that makes him or her deal with it better, so be it. If you're really that pissed off, join the military and help root out the "cockfucks" instead of sitting in front of your computer with angry fingers.

[KodaKangus]

I apologize about the poem remark. I didn't look or recognize that it was someone else's poem. I thought these were "words of wisdom" from "Sloth", following his idiotic and sarcastic remark about the media. I don't agree with the media you guys see over there in the US. IT's made up of cool graphics and right-wing opinions. Here (in Europe) You don't get all that crap on the news. Because some of the broadcasters are from the area. It's all european and asian, and for some reason it makes it more efficient. Sorry sloth, for calling you an idiot.

[KodaKangus]

Wait a minute; let's take a look at this whole message for a second

"Yeah I like the USA better than Afghanistan as well. I've never actually been to Afghanistan. But on TV and the newspapers they say its really bad. Sso I guess we
have the right to blow it up. The TV people wouldn't lie to us. It might hurt the ratings." -

This assumes that I’m blind, and.yes...it rings very sarcastic.

"I am sorry about your brother on Flight 11. If what you are saying is true that must really suck. If someone killed my brother I would want to blow up their country and make all the peasants starve as well. I hate peasants from countries that kill my brother."-

This is a taunting remark, and I resent it. And Sloth resembles it. So I take it back...You are what you preach...An Asshole. That's an offensive context, and everyone knows war is not pretty. But what were we to say "Oh geez, we must've goofed up with our international policies, those 4000 innocents were worth as much as a letter you could've sent us, so we won't do anything about it"? That's SHIT! And I'm not a fan of GW, but hell, I'm glad the green party aren’t ruling right now, cause if Nader was President, he'd organize a buffet in the honor of the victims and call it a retaliation. Meanwhile, terrorists abroad, seeing that they didn’t get a reaction out of us, could only strive to kill an even greater amount of human life. Like blowing up a stadium at full capacity...say....super bowl!!!. I guarantee you, if those dicks had their hands on Nuclear Weapons, they'd have used em. And they haven't, but they probably would've if we hadn't done something about what they've done already. Look at that babbling fundamentalist "Bin Laden", what a fucken joke. Don't you see that he's got nowhere to run? He can’t even try to represent the Muslims in Afghanistan anymore, because of the wrath he brought home! They hate him. They stopped listening; they turned their backs. He's on the planet...And every country is on the lookout for him. The guy is going down. Sure, another will rise, and it will always be a problem. But that's life, and how civilizations are going to work. There's always going to’ be someone to hate...and it's usually whoever's on top.

Maybe it's like a High-School popularity contest. Sure the jocks seem shallow in school, but that's no reason to dislike them, really. That's such an immature thought. Everybody is a real person, and they've lived a life. Even if it's sheltered by money and goods and materialism. But the most popular guy on campus always has two pretty substantial groups of followers. Those that adore him, and then there's a group following that just gawks at him and talks bad. Usually they say, "What an ignorant putts, he doesn't even know. He bases his whole image around his looks, money and car. He's just a sheltered little boy that doesn't know what life is about. And he’s not even that smart." What a bullshit statement. I used to hear that kind of rhetoric all the time in High School. Me, being a skateboarder and artist, had every right to despise those "jocks", and it wasn't because it was right. It was because I was among the lower-middle class. And some people just take that too far; something about disliking another person makes them feel better. They make up for what’s lost and lowly in them by directing their angers and frustrations towards others. Eventually in life, you have to come to a point and realize that everybody has a brain and has had a lot of the same groundbreaking thoughts you’ve had. That makes us the same. Living, with a soul, a past and a future. I think the real reason for all this crap is an underlying jealousy and envying that takes place in these guys.

These terrorists have come up with a creative excuse, and the reasons they say they’re fighting should be addressed. But they also think we’re Satan. More so because the typical, white male is not Muslim. Part of this fundamentalism is that anyone that is not Muslim is bad for the religion. I don’t know if that’s stated in the Koran, (even if it is, it’s clearly taken too seriously), but it’s a dominant feature in this type of their “religion”. I don’t consider this belief a true Muslim belief. Just like most Christians these days don’t hate gays. They may think it’s wrong, but even though the Bible says that gays are unholy, Christians don’t kill them for it, or even condemn them to hell (of course there have been hate crimes). I’m getting off track here.

So anyway, they carry a chip on their shoulder. Things that minor can drive people mad...as it did here. "Jump on the train, the ol' bandwagon” Everybody likes to jump on the bandwagon. What are the coolest clothes, cars, colognes and perfumes? The same attitude is found in religions, philosophies, anything that constitutes a state of being. Every aspect of life has a bandwagon. And that's what these terrorists jumped on...a Bandwagon. "Ah, a prosperous idea, I like it, I'll be with my united brothers and kill Americans!” Anybody that is an American is a "Jock" in the Institution of life. We are the popular ones. And we've gotta get used to the fact that as long as we're on top, we're going to be hated. But just because we can't stop it, doesn't mean we shouldn't protect our dignity. How despicable, I'd be really afraid to call myself an American if we didn't kick off "operation enduring freedom (a very cheesy codename, I know...I hate it, how bout Operation What the FUCK Bitches?! That has a better ring to it)” But we needed to do something. As I mentioned before, those were people. Neighbors, family, men, women, children, most of them pretty oblivious to the darker side of reality. They never got the chance the rest of us did to see what it's like, there. They didn't HAVE the opportunity to do something about it.

What is this anyways? These guys thought that this act would get them into heaven. What kind of crap is that? There are so many different religions now days, you can’t be so sure to die for one’s cause! Buddhism, Christianity, Catholicism, Jewish, Rastafarian. Not to mention the beliefs of the Aztecs, Egyptians, Native Americans and so on. And don’t forget the countless cults that are in operation. Remember the Japanese subway attack? A cult went down there and released an agent called Serin, a deadly nerve gas. They killed 12 innocent Japanese. Many are doomed to spend the rest of their lives with mental disabilities…and physical disabilities. And the cult did it for (obviously, it’s a cult-) “religious purposes”. Not because they wanted to just raise hell, they thought they were doing good for their cause. I don’t know what their fate was, but they don’t deserve to live. Somebody that murders another for personal reasons is one thing. Not saying it’s good, (I’m not a huge supporter of death row + the death penalty) but in most cases they should be subjected to a long time of thinking, hard labor, and depending on the circumstances, life sentences. Prison changes some people, others are not, and some people clearly need to be locked away for life. But people that don’t even have the conscience to recognize the individual they are killing-for instance, killing 4000 civilians whose faces they’ve never seen before for a selfish cause-deserve to be wiped away. They shouldn’t live; their purpose in life is to kill humans. Wouldn’t it be counter productive for any human to spare the life of a man whose achievement in life is mass-murder? An axe in the back from the man whose life you just spared would follow turning around and walking away. So it wouldn’t matter anyways. And then you’d be dead. Do you want to die for that? Is that how you envisioned going down? The victim of a murder for extermination only? That’s not how I want to die, and nobody should die for that reason. And boy, did WE fuck up with Vietnam. But killing civilians is a horrible thing to do. And those who COMMIT the act should be brought to justice. There should never be a mere trade, “Oh, you’re responsible for this many dead people in my country, so I’ll just go ahead and kill this many of yours while a fail to bring the man (or men) directly responsible to justice.” Because after all, any coward can make a point like that. It’s a lot easier to think of it as erasing numbers, than erasing lives. If these guys had the balls to look their victims in the face, they’d collapse and fall short. But instead, they grasped onto blind faith (brainwashing), because they were conditioned to kill. That’s so sad. Because what a waste of a human. Hatred is what fueled them, not a fucking policy. Though as I stated, policies need to have a huge makeover, it wasn’t policy. It was brainless hatred and fundamentalism.
Relinquish yourself of viewing the problem as a wannabe hippy, just step away from that particular “meme”. Step away from all meme’s and ask yourself this.

A) Am I an American?

B) Am I human?

If you answered yes to the former or the latter, you’re a target and a toy to somebody in the world. And for the sake of another’s beliefs, your life (all you’ve ever known), congratulations!

So enjoy your next bowl of Grape-Nuts and/or hit of the bong. I know I will, my disposable friends.

[Jack Chiefton]

Disposable friends? Are you just now realizing that we are, have been, and forever will be capable of being disposed of at any point in time? How about this, why don't you go down to Nicaragua, and talk to someone who lost a cousin at the hands of our government. Why don't you go over to Africa and try and do the same. Like I said, I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. But, you're not special, and don't let our government trick you into feeling special.

[Jack Chiefton]

Koda, I just now realized you are from Germany, sorry, I didn't quite catch that down there so the remark about our government need not apply. I see one of your many interests are linguistics. Are you a fan of Noam Chomsky? Do you read at all about his social reform philosophies? I know that doesn't have much to do with linguistics, in fact it's almost dangerous to combine linguistics with social reform, but why don't you check him out. He will make you think deeply instead of fueling your anger.

[KodaKangus]

Yo jack, no worries about anything really anymore. I understand that what's happened has happened. And like I said "you can't trade civillians" The thing that urked me was a motive made of lies for these poor bastards that bought into it. Angry? It's not about the anger. There is some, no doubt, as there would be with anybody. This reply was just in response to the light of sarcasm that was expressed by the "webmaster". YOu can't be sarcastic about that, it's distasteful. People burned alive, and honest discussion should be granted, true. But I think it could've been done without "Ooh's" taunting remarks. So I went on a speal. Oh, I love to write. Chomsky, I'm aware of this man, I have several of his books in my library, but I haven't gotten to them yet. Right now I'm studying Don Delillo, Kierkegaard and Bukowski. Shit, I even like Stephen King! That man has such great prose, and highly under-rated. Referred to all to often as a sell-out. I prefer to say, anybody who's been writing as honestly and consistently as that man, has the right to have movies made of his thirty-or-so novels. Jesus, I go off on anything. Forget that. My responses weren't necessarily aimed at being angry responses. My story is a side of all this propaganda though, and I felt that in a place of such discussion, I had a right to say a few words -And in the defense of the dead and the mourning, because some of the responses I read here were outrageously ignorant and seemed to pay little respect to those personally and mortally affected by it. Sorry, even to Sloth. I may have gotten out of hand there with some of what I wrote. But really take a look at what I wrote. I'm being honest, here. And it was an emotional theme for me to write about. So once again, sorry Sloth. I hope what I wrote made some sense.

[serule]

uhm, yeah, that "poem" is actually a quote from shakespeare. I thought it was appropriate in the situation. hmm, and chomsky eh? interesting that you bring that up... remember one of his theories for linguistics? the one that worked perfectly for every language and he considered himself a genius for the theory? and then someone pointed out that you could enter nonsense into the formula and it would prove that the nonsense was true as well. ...anyway... people die everyday... that's life... move on...

[KodaKangus]

Hmm...um...yeah...um...Jesus christ do you use enough filler? Yeah nonsense, yadda-yadda. I apologized to you. What the hell are you, anyway? Your message would be interesting if YOU wrote a poem, I'd love to see your "genius" flare. Anyway, you're cool dude, because yeah, we're disposable, people die everyday. But why bitch in defense of someone that wants to kill you? Anyways, all-seeing Maven, take it easy, and jees, no need to get upset...remember, I apologized, mistaken identity.

[KodaKangus]

And wait, I didn't bring up Chomsky. I've never even read him. But that does spark some interest. I enjoy an underdog philospher. If he's anything like Kierkegaard, I'd love him, wacko's make great writers, lot's of diversity.

[Jack Chiefton]

Actually I brought up Chomsky, not because of his "organ of languange theory", but because of his outspoken voice on social reform and transformation. Regardless, who cares?

[KodaKangus]

yeah man, who cares? Leave me alone......I'm a pacifist!!! and uh.....I liked clinton more anyway! Which is true...but c'mon. Let's just put this topic to rest. I enjoyed writing about this topic. But seriously, what does it matter to go on spiels about it at this juncture? John Walker is out of our reach. Although he was aware of the terrorist attacks and continued to fight against us, banishment would be a good punishment. He doesn't want to be here anyways, that's true. True, he committed treason, but he didn't kill an innocent victim. I think we should be focusing on the threat itself, like the "groups". John Walker can chill in his cell until the majority of the public starts to feel sorry for him. Because you and I know that no shit will happen just because you write about it online. The government isn't going to listen to you. Your first task would be to get the public rumbling about it. Otherwise, all of this is just talk. We're all just talkin' shit. Opinions we have, power we don't. Unless you have the balls to do something about it..... I better start seeing some commercial publication about this, or I will come to the realization that you've all failed. But what does it matter what I think? If you don't do that, you've all failed anyway. Nobody in a respectable position is going to look at an underground website. The word "underground" is associated with anarchy, chaos, randomness and violence all too often. You don't have a chance here. If you want to make any changes, you'd better take out your pens and start scribbling to People, and Time Magazine. Mail to your newspaper. A public opinion in a periodical such as these will raise some brows. I don't think I could morally give a shit what they do to this Walker guy. But if your sympathy is strong enough, you'll do something about it. If not, you're just "talking shit" just like the kids in High School used to do. So if you guys are as passionate as you say you all are about this, then do something and quit masturbating to porn on the net. The net won't take you to where you want to bring this. Especially a BBS, or whatever this is. Part of me would say, ditch the propaganda website...but I enjoy some of the literature...and I guess, some credit should be given, and some of it should be read. But fuckin' shit! Quit wining like a bitch, and get off your asses if you got a problem!!!

You're all acting like a bunch of monkeys. Bitch at me here and there, (McClutcheon's cool, he digs my prose) but all the rest of you do is bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. DO SUMPIN' THEN!

[KodaKangus]

CORRECTION: Not mccluctcheon, I don't know where that came from, I don't know who that is...It's supposed to be (Chiefton's cool, he digs my prose)

[Jack Chiefton]

a lot would disagree with that correction man.

[Sloth]

Maybe I really need to examine this love/hate relationship thing in therapy.

In the meantime I still say John Walker has not been allowed to express himself and he should not be condemned the way Bush and Rumsfield did already condemn him.

They would rape and hang Mother Teresa's corpse if it made their popularity increase 1 percent and I still ask why is it illegal to be in a country defending oneself?

Was he harboring known terrorists?

No he was cannon fodder for the Taleban and its a miracle he didn't die in the gunfire. And I just know there is more to the story than this...

Koda, okay I haven't read your prose but I am at least a little intreagued now after reading your long posts. You write good copy. But as for calling me an asshole and then getting in a fight with Jack all I have is it takes two to tango. I find the finger pointing a bit much, but if you ever come to London the first pints on me.

As my penname admits, I don't really have the energy of Abbie Hoffman to change the world, I just want to sleep all day and spend my nights in bars with Pax Acidus people.