New Poem by kitten
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ummm... the poem has absolutely nothing to do with kurt, the same way the poem james has nothing to do with bill murray...his picture is up there b/c i fucking felt like putting it up there...we're all entitled to our own opinions but i'd really like it if you didn't tell me what the poem is about WHEN YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT
wow...ok i just went thru this whole topic and i am lost...i have no idea what the fuck most of y'all are talking about or where any of it is going...i havent been here in a long time obviously, but that's b/c i'm too drugged up to even work a computer anymore...guest, i really liked your moralizing sob story about how you would like to beat up kurt b/c he never took care of his child...big fucking deal, plenty of people who aren't rock stars are bad parents; that's life, get over it...sorry but i really hate preachy people...and as i said before, that's fine when people don't like the poem; there's plenty of poetry out there i don't like either; what pisses me off tho is someone who would actually have the balls to make a final decision on what a poem is about that they didn't even write...who granted you some almighty literary secret knowledge that the restof us don't have??
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No offense kitten but poetry, like all art is open to interpretation. So the guy got a shitty picture fromt he poem... dun worry about it!!! Hell, maybe he was an idoit but just shrug it off.
You don't know him; thus he does not matter. If you do know him; you can think of more reasons than I of why he does not matter.
*gives you a flower*
so he doesn't like and got a shitty picture/impression. Eh, that's just his interpretation.
You don't know him; thus he does not matter. If you do know him; you can think of more reasons than I of why he does not matter.
*gives you a flower*
so he doesn't like and got a shitty picture/impression. Eh, that's just his interpretation.
Excuse me, I realize this is not related to the current discussion, but what the hell is this Life Of Pi book all about? I experienced a most surreal event this week when I noticed that not only was a lady across from me on my bus reading it, but the lady at the bus stop who had neglected to board our bus was reading it as well? This was truly weird. Two people reading the same book, one on the bus, one off. Probably never happen again.
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i know that all art is open to interpretation but i DID write the poem and i hate it when people decide that they know exactly what a poem is about, there's no possible way they could be wrong, and they didn't even write it; there are lots of english teachers like that and it drives me nuts. and in case you forgot, this person said earlier "the poem must be about kurt, why else would his picture be up there?", even though nowhere in the submission instructions does it say that the picture you put up must relate to the poem. and if all art is open to interpretation, then why does this person believe his interpretation is the "right" one? but you are right, this person doesn't matter too much since i don't know them; it's pms time for me right now, seriously, no joke.
oh and i REALLY did not like the whole preachy moralizing "i would bash his teeth in b/c he was a bad daddy...wah wah wah etc" argument that the person gave. i would actually rather hear someone just say his music sucked than some fucking tear-jerker about what a bad parent he was and how it has to do with the fact that he was a rock star. my dad is a stupid drunk lawyer, no rock star that's for sure, and i grew up with him beating my mom in front of me and my little siblings, so he was no great parent. but i don't run around crying about how i would bash his face in or even care too much, b/c he's 1 in a million and that's just how life goes.
oh and i REALLY did not like the whole preachy moralizing "i would bash his teeth in b/c he was a bad daddy...wah wah wah etc" argument that the person gave. i would actually rather hear someone just say his music sucked than some fucking tear-jerker about what a bad parent he was and how it has to do with the fact that he was a rock star. my dad is a stupid drunk lawyer, no rock star that's for sure, and i grew up with him beating my mom in front of me and my little siblings, so he was no great parent. but i don't run around crying about how i would bash his face in or even care too much, b/c he's 1 in a million and that's just how life goes.
kitten, i am indifferent to the first paragraph of your last posting but the second paragraph is complete bull shit.
i do not know why anybody would subscribe to your moral relativism. you are not only saying it is of no relevance to his music that cobain was an asshole -- no, you are saying his stupid life was nobody's business, that one should "get over it" (which, by the way, is one of those clichés that nobody who has a love of language should use).
you are saying that it is preachy to condemn assholes and that you are beyond that. well, it seems to me you have not beyond the fact that your father was an asshole, because otherwise you would not have the odd and neurotic obsession with that guy called james whom you wouldn't care about if your father had treated you better. so perhaps you should indeed think about bashing your father's teeth in, instead of carrying all that emotional baggage around.
(i may be wrong about all this but from my perspective, it sure looks obvious).
getting away from a nasty personal level, and back to cobain: it is a legit subject of art criticism to compare the asshole to his product. tommy/guest was saying, if i may paraphrase him, that cobain's miserabilism in life disqualified his music. he has a point, you know. my opinion is that cobain's music is so much pop-anguish, beautiful-eyes-with-so-much-sorrow, look-how-much-he-suffers-he-must-be-real-deep.
tommy did not say the poem was about cobain, but he used the associative link to hack at what he disliked about the poem -- which i think is darn legitimate, too.
i do not know why anybody would subscribe to your moral relativism. you are not only saying it is of no relevance to his music that cobain was an asshole -- no, you are saying his stupid life was nobody's business, that one should "get over it" (which, by the way, is one of those clichés that nobody who has a love of language should use).
you are saying that it is preachy to condemn assholes and that you are beyond that. well, it seems to me you have not beyond the fact that your father was an asshole, because otherwise you would not have the odd and neurotic obsession with that guy called james whom you wouldn't care about if your father had treated you better. so perhaps you should indeed think about bashing your father's teeth in, instead of carrying all that emotional baggage around.
(i may be wrong about all this but from my perspective, it sure looks obvious).
getting away from a nasty personal level, and back to cobain: it is a legit subject of art criticism to compare the asshole to his product. tommy/guest was saying, if i may paraphrase him, that cobain's miserabilism in life disqualified his music. he has a point, you know. my opinion is that cobain's music is so much pop-anguish, beautiful-eyes-with-so-much-sorrow, look-how-much-he-suffers-he-must-be-real-deep.
tommy did not say the poem was about cobain, but he used the associative link to hack at what he disliked about the poem -- which i think is darn legitimate, too.
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if you don't want to have people talk about your writing then don't post the poems. Slothy and I might not be the best writers but we put our writing out there hell be damned. It is a proccess and that counts for at least 2% of something. But you can't be mad at me because I couldn't be bothered to read your poems. So I am your biggest fan.
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submitting your poems to be posted on a website is letting people read it and opening it to interpretation. when your readers do not react to whatever you have written simply means that your writing is of no importance and should not be given any attention. literature is meant to affect and to effect people. once you make your writings public, it is no longer yours as you have given it to your readers to let them find their meaning from whatever you have written. if you do not like people reacting or interpreting your poems, then stop submitting your poems and keep your poetry in your closet and interpret all of them to yourself...or better yet, stop writing.
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it is of no relevance to ME then- i don't know much about his life, or care, i just like his music, and many people don't, which is fine. and once again, i did not care if people like the poem or not, i just do not like people insisting they know exactly what it's about, like they know better than me.
suddenly this all seems very silly and childish, arguing with imgainary internet people; i must be going schizo. i just wasted 20 seconds of my life that i will never get back. happy trails kids; i have to be at work in 4 minutes.
suddenly this all seems very silly and childish, arguing with imgainary internet people; i must be going schizo. i just wasted 20 seconds of my life that i will never get back. happy trails kids; i have to be at work in 4 minutes.
well thank you very much kitten for once again telling us how unimportant and inane you think it is to carry out a discourse with people on this BB (whenever you are, per coincidence, sober enough to do so).
man, this blasé girly chickenshit is getting on my nerves. why do people post something and then imply that their lives are too precious to allow appreciation of what anybody else has to say?
man, this blasé girly chickenshit is getting on my nerves. why do people post something and then imply that their lives are too precious to allow appreciation of what anybody else has to say?