I haven't been around much lately as I've had the flu .. amazing what bile can out of your nose ... a veritable rainbow of mucos ...
Mark, man ... Please don't presume because I have a difference of opinion about things that I'm some kind of "cold motherfucker" as Mr Balsamicvinegar stated earlier.
I'm quite sure that most of the Iraqi citizens hate war and would rather just go about their business. I don't much like it either. Certainly I've been of the opinion that Sadaam needs to go. Also have long thought sanctions were not helping him pack his bags.
I've often thought of myself as fairly open minded individual who loves to soak up knowlege about the world. Love Paris. LOVE Prague. Hell, I really love Phoenix ... even with the evil heat. Now I really do worry that the biggest aftershock of this war with Iraq could be the loss of the relatively stable world relationships we've seen for a good while now. I'd hate to think we may go back to something worse than the old "cold war" era of arms races, hatred, and the constant worry of nuclear war.
I don't agree with Sloth when he says we have seen the start of WWIII. But if this thing goes badly ... really badly ... we could seriously fracture international relationships far worse than I'd have ever thought. It's seems very 50/50 right now. If everything proceeds more smoothly and the international community is brought in to help stablize and rebuild Iraq, everything could change.
One thing I've learned and can say with authority is that relationships between nations can be fluid and can change rapidly. Hopefully, we will be able to rebuild international cohesion after it's all over. We can't afford to be fractured with Russia no more than Europe can afford to be fractured with each other. Chalk it up to the internet ... everything is different. We're all so much closer to each other ...
myke
PS -- Daniel Patrick Moynihan has passed. A great man.
PS2 -- Braces suck. Getting them tightened sucks worse.
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Rosie, the hubby is home with me and hopefully out for good. It was very sweet of you to ask. How is your friend in the (airforce?)?
MC -- about the story and less zeroes -- what I think is this: "The director began to talk about the death of a stuntman on one of his films . . . and I prayed that the director remembered the name. I wanted very badly for the director to say the name. The director opened his mouth and said, 'I forgot.'"
Wars end the same way -- presidents, dictators, directors and all have drinks later and forget the dead people who have names. I've seen enough of it on television; it's time to cut it off and go back to the Ghandi memoir -- you know. People know how they feel about it, they knew before it even started; is watching it played out on television going to change a thing about the way we feel -- doubtful. I'm too paranoid and skeptical to see the point of it.
MC -- about the story and less zeroes -- what I think is this: "The director began to talk about the death of a stuntman on one of his films . . . and I prayed that the director remembered the name. I wanted very badly for the director to say the name. The director opened his mouth and said, 'I forgot.'"
Wars end the same way -- presidents, dictators, directors and all have drinks later and forget the dead people who have names. I've seen enough of it on television; it's time to cut it off and go back to the Ghandi memoir -- you know. People know how they feel about it, they knew before it even started; is watching it played out on television going to change a thing about the way we feel -- doubtful. I'm too paranoid and skeptical to see the point of it.
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just out of curiosity:
has cnn reported on the bombing of the market in bagdad?
have they shown how hundreds of expatriate iraqis are crossing the border from jordania and syria to help fight with saddam?
have they shown the captured apache helicopters?
when they do their military analysis, do they say why bush/rumsfeld did not allow the attacking forces to be equipped with the 250,000 soldiers the joint chiefs said they required? (the reason is: a quarter of a million is a "once in a decade" force; rumsfeld wanted to prove that he can move on and attack korea and iran with limited resources. so much for the powell doctrine).
has cnn reported on the bombing of the market in bagdad?
have they shown how hundreds of expatriate iraqis are crossing the border from jordania and syria to help fight with saddam?
have they shown the captured apache helicopters?
when they do their military analysis, do they say why bush/rumsfeld did not allow the attacking forces to be equipped with the 250,000 soldiers the joint chiefs said they required? (the reason is: a quarter of a million is a "once in a decade" force; rumsfeld wanted to prove that he can move on and attack korea and iran with limited resources. so much for the powell doctrine).
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there is a poll that says 70% of Americans are for the war. I think that is a lie. I just don't see that. I wonder how the question is asked.
"Do you like being an American, or would you rather we kill you?"
"Oh I love America."
"Thanks for your time, that's another one for the war then, Bob."
"Do you like being an American, or would you rather we kill you?"
"Oh I love America."
"Thanks for your time, that's another one for the war then, Bob."
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well, those who like it better get used to liking it, cause officers are now saying the war could go on for months.
Got this titbit of information from a u.s. source, for a change.
Got this titbit of information from a u.s. source, for a change.
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Bush said yesterday the Sadam Regime’s days were numbered to a speech of US Military. Then all the generals have been saying it's going to take a long time. It's going to last at least 6 months. I wonder how tensions will build during that time. And I wonder what the rate of Americans for the war will be then. I'm guessing 110%
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sarah
he is well, but is going to the desert soon. he will be in charge ofpower generators, sounds horrible.
marty
all i have seen are photos of us soldiers giving food to iraqi people making them look like heroes.
the market place was shown, but not realistically.
a little pool of blood, but no dead bodies .
late last night they showed sadaam's counsel speaking and it was abruptly cut off with the announcer saying " this is not what we believe, back to you ,wolf". i was very confused and couldn't believe how unpolished her response was.
if i were in jordan i would cross too to fight hitler.
bush's new name should be ambush.
who is better kissinger or rumsfeld?
and who is the militia dressed in black? they look bad ass. i wouldn't want to fuck with them. i thought old ozzy looked scary,they make ozzy look like a school talent show.
he is well, but is going to the desert soon. he will be in charge ofpower generators, sounds horrible.
marty
all i have seen are photos of us soldiers giving food to iraqi people making them look like heroes.
the market place was shown, but not realistically.
a little pool of blood, but no dead bodies .
late last night they showed sadaam's counsel speaking and it was abruptly cut off with the announcer saying " this is not what we believe, back to you ,wolf". i was very confused and couldn't believe how unpolished her response was.
if i were in jordan i would cross too to fight hitler.
bush's new name should be ambush.
who is better kissinger or rumsfeld?
and who is the militia dressed in black? they look bad ass. i wouldn't want to fuck with them. i thought old ozzy looked scary,they make ozzy look like a school talent show.
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The ninja looking lot are called "Fedayin Sadaam". Not sure if that's spelled correctly but you get the idea. They are special commandos for Mr. Hussein.
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I admit I was rather shocked by the frankness of this nice little paragraph tucked inside an article orginating with the Chicago Tribune about Blair's attempts to get the U.N. involved in post-war Iraq:
"Vice President Dick Cheney and other White House and Pentagon officials are known to favor a postwar American rule [temporarily], possibly coupled with control of Iraq's rich oil fields by U.S. oil companies, with EU companies cut out of the action."
But there's just no way this war could have anything to do with oil!
"Vice President Dick Cheney and other White House and Pentagon officials are known to favor a postwar American rule [temporarily], possibly coupled with control of Iraq's rich oil fields by U.S. oil companies, with EU companies cut out of the action."
But there's just no way this war could have anything to do with oil!
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rosie, it's good to see you back in old lowercase form. and i agree with you: ozzy was only really nasty when he was drunk, and he says he didn't know what he was doing when he bit off that bat's head.
kissinger or rumsfeld? well, i think kissinger is a war criminal; and rumsfeld will probably make himself into one by the time this war is over.
speaking of which, today's salon.com says about the coming siege of baghdad,
"Compared to the wide-open desert, the city setting would certainly give Saddam's estimated 20,000 loyal troops embedded inside Baghdad more killing options by using buildings, rooftops and cellars as ambush platforms. Streets would turn into shooting galleries, homes and parks into battlegrounds, and intelligence would be harder to gather. The casualty rate for soldiers involved in urban battles is 30 percent, according to today's military calculus."
so that would mean about 7,000 iraqi soldiers dead, many of whom are coerced into fighting.
it is said that to win urban warfare, you have to have a fivefold superiority over the enemy, which amounts to 100,000 anglo-american troops, which amounts to 30,000 dead. is the u.s. prepared for this kind of a slaughterhouse?
kissinger or rumsfeld? well, i think kissinger is a war criminal; and rumsfeld will probably make himself into one by the time this war is over.
speaking of which, today's salon.com says about the coming siege of baghdad,
"Compared to the wide-open desert, the city setting would certainly give Saddam's estimated 20,000 loyal troops embedded inside Baghdad more killing options by using buildings, rooftops and cellars as ambush platforms. Streets would turn into shooting galleries, homes and parks into battlegrounds, and intelligence would be harder to gather. The casualty rate for soldiers involved in urban battles is 30 percent, according to today's military calculus."
so that would mean about 7,000 iraqi soldiers dead, many of whom are coerced into fighting.
it is said that to win urban warfare, you have to have a fivefold superiority over the enemy, which amounts to 100,000 anglo-american troops, which amounts to 30,000 dead. is the u.s. prepared for this kind of a slaughterhouse?
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Well, I have the Black Sabbath live reunion dbl CD and I like it a lot. Also the first Ozzy album.
But as far as the Baghdad market bombing I don't know if I would say there's been no coverage of that. There was. Maybe no bodies, but plenty of coverage.
I'm convinced Rumsfeld is a fart.
But as far as the Baghdad market bombing I don't know if I would say there's been no coverage of that. There was. Maybe no bodies, but plenty of coverage.
I'm convinced Rumsfeld is a fart.
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I just wanted to add a little humor to this but the goddamn thing won't work. Here's the link to the cartoon:
http://villagevoice.com/issues/0313/sutton.php
I hope that works.
http://villagevoice.com/issues/0313/sutton.php
I hope that works.
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I don't think that anyone could ever be prepared for the kind of death totals envisioned by Mr. Balsamicvinegrette. I also can't see the kind of casualties being inflicted by the loyalists to Saddam if the US and British forces have any sort of tactical battle expertise at the command level at all.
I heard on the news this morning that the British troops and embedded journalists with them have reported that the Fedayeen (correct spelling this time) are shooting citizens down in the streets if they attempt to leave Basra and surrender. They are also going door to door in Basra, Baghdad, and Kirkuk forcing young men barely old enough to hold a gun into conscription.
Now that it has begun, I can't see the coalition pulling out short of toppling the Hussein regimine. He's got to go.
myke
I heard on the news this morning that the British troops and embedded journalists with them have reported that the Fedayeen (correct spelling this time) are shooting citizens down in the streets if they attempt to leave Basra and surrender. They are also going door to door in Basra, Baghdad, and Kirkuk forcing young men barely old enough to hold a gun into conscription.
Now that it has begun, I can't see the coalition pulling out short of toppling the Hussein regimine. He's got to go.
myke
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There are two sides to every story. Of course, the American gobvernment presents the side as they see it, the side that is most complementary to their position. On this site, with the exception of Myke and myself, only the other side is presented. Many of these facts are probably true, but they are only one side. Many of the governments facts are probsably true too. And many on both sides are interpreted to make that side appear right. Remember that as we hear more and more facts and statistics on this war.