The situation is fucked up in France!! Yesterday, the first tour of the presidential election took place. Lionel Jospin (left wing) was ejected right away. But this is not the worse. Le Pen arrived secon, with 17% of the vote (after Chirac, 19/20 % of the vote). This is a scandal and a chock for me. Le Pen is the leader of the "Front National" (nationalist extreeme right party). This is scandalous that so many can vote for him. France is in danger if we end up in his hands, but NO!! this is not conceivable.
28 % of the French did not vote yesterday, this is the highest abstention record since the beginning of the fifth republic, and I think it shows how people are just tired of those fucked up leaders.
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"and I think it shows how people are just tired of those fucked up leaders"
i disagree, wanda. jospin for one is not fucked up. the Left is fucked up -- mainly made up of spoiled ingrates. jospin is a pretty good guy, an honorable person who worked hard to make france a better place. over the past years, france has had above-average economic growth; jospin introduced the 35 hour working week and france has, internationally speaking, great quality of life.
the french government has been a necessary corrective to US war mongering, globalist hegomony and israeli colonialism. but the Left chose to be morally superior, they stay home instead of voting so that nobody can blame them when someone like jospin turns out to be less than perfect.
so what happens? in the US, bush gets elected because people do not appreciate 8 years of clinton/gore peace and prosperity; in france jospin kicks it and the fascists become the second-strongest block. this is a shame, just a shame.
i disagree, wanda. jospin for one is not fucked up. the Left is fucked up -- mainly made up of spoiled ingrates. jospin is a pretty good guy, an honorable person who worked hard to make france a better place. over the past years, france has had above-average economic growth; jospin introduced the 35 hour working week and france has, internationally speaking, great quality of life.
the french government has been a necessary corrective to US war mongering, globalist hegomony and israeli colonialism. but the Left chose to be morally superior, they stay home instead of voting so that nobody can blame them when someone like jospin turns out to be less than perfect.
so what happens? in the US, bush gets elected because people do not appreciate 8 years of clinton/gore peace and prosperity; in france jospin kicks it and the fascists become the second-strongest block. this is a shame, just a shame.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Fixedsys; arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Wenda:
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28 % of the French did not vote yesterday, this is the highest abstention record since the beginning of the fifth republic, and I think it shows how people are just tired of those fucked up leaders.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If 28% of the U.S. registered voters cast ballots, that is tremendous. I guess we are tired of fucked up leaders, too.
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28 % of the French did not vote yesterday, this is the highest abstention record since the beginning of the fifth republic, and I think it shows how people are just tired of those fucked up leaders.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If 28% of the U.S. registered voters cast ballots, that is tremendous. I guess we are tired of fucked up leaders, too.
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It's a shame... I'm so mad. Yes Jospin is a good guy, and yes I agree he did good things for France, the 35 hours was a really good step. And I do wish he would have passed the first vote. I'm under shock about what happened in France yesterday. It's a tragedy for me to think that such things can happen, that a racist fashist can actually be chosen to compete for presidential elections. What the fuck is going on?? Where are human values?
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You want to know where Human values went? They got shit out of the ass of De Soto upon arrival on the east coast approx. 550-600 years ago, that's what happend to them. Do you want to know where else they have gone? Down the crapper, out of the ass of one Julius Caesar, Hernando Cortez, Christopher Columbus, William Henry Harrison, Teddy Rosevelt, Adolph Hitler, and one Dr. Josph Mengle, etc....
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35 hour work week. What they used to work less?
Le Pen is a bastard and he has been around for so long. It is no longer safe to say Le Pen is a south thing, a south problem. He is a France problem. And Brigitte Bardo voted for him.
Le Pen is a bastard and he has been around for so long. It is no longer safe to say Le Pen is a south thing, a south problem. He is a France problem. And Brigitte Bardo voted for him.
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ha ha mcc -- indeed, looking at the full cafes and beaches, you would think they had a 30 hour week. but don't be forgetting the standard six weeks paid vacation time.
BB is an unconscionable cow who cares about animal rights and nothing else. what she says is no surprise to me; i never trust a woman who kisses her dog.
but seriously: jack, following the logic of your argument, you are cool with the idea of a fascist government because "so-called civilisation" sucks anyway? are you nuts or what?
"cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre." (Joe Klein)
BB is an unconscionable cow who cares about animal rights and nothing else. what she says is no surprise to me; i never trust a woman who kisses her dog.
but seriously: jack, following the logic of your argument, you are cool with the idea of a fascist government because "so-called civilisation" sucks anyway? are you nuts or what?
"cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre." (Joe Klein)
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How the fuck can you have a primary with 16 candidates? That is irresponsible. Only a retard would conceive such a primary. Having 16 candidates is just inviting trouble.
France has always had its disillusioned fascists. The reason Le Pen increased his support is because crime is on the rise in France. Crime has risen 8% over the past year and Le Pen's support has grown by the same percentage from 15% to %17. It is not a secret that Le Pen drew a correlation between the rise in crime and immigration from North Africa. I think a lot of people vote for Le Pen because he is seen for some reason as honest and "for the traditional France".
One thing I do not agree with are the demontrations in France. How can you protest an election? I bet all those fucking people who took to the streets and tried to break stuff didn't even vote. I say if you live in a democracy and don't vote you have no right to protest anything. The real reason that Le Pen won (and Bush in the States) is that so called citizens stayed at home and smoked reefer or picked dingleberries out of their assholes instead of voting. How can you stay at home and not vote and then protest the election? That's just fucking absurd.
France has always had its disillusioned fascists. The reason Le Pen increased his support is because crime is on the rise in France. Crime has risen 8% over the past year and Le Pen's support has grown by the same percentage from 15% to %17. It is not a secret that Le Pen drew a correlation between the rise in crime and immigration from North Africa. I think a lot of people vote for Le Pen because he is seen for some reason as honest and "for the traditional France".
One thing I do not agree with are the demontrations in France. How can you protest an election? I bet all those fucking people who took to the streets and tried to break stuff didn't even vote. I say if you live in a democracy and don't vote you have no right to protest anything. The real reason that Le Pen won (and Bush in the States) is that so called citizens stayed at home and smoked reefer or picked dingleberries out of their assholes instead of voting. How can you stay at home and not vote and then protest the election? That's just fucking absurd.
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right on!
you took the words right out of the horses mouth
(i think there's something wrong with that metaphor, but you know what i mean)
you took the words right out of the horses mouth
(i think there's something wrong with that metaphor, but you know what i mean)
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All France needs is to win another World Cup!
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Ooh,
I do NOT agreee at all with what has been said here. First, the 17% of the population who voted for Le Pen is NOT representative of France, or French people. What it says is that there is 17% of racists in France that believe that non-white people should be expelled from France because they think it will end violence... Le pen is clever in his politics against insecurity, but he just don't get it and he is successful in convincing some people in France, mosty old people and racist fashists. But those people demonstrating in the streets are protesting because the election is NOT representative of the people. The fatal mistake was that there were 16 candidates and that people did not realized that if they did not support Jospin, Le pen might pass. Those young people fighting in the streets, they have voted, for many of them, they just voted for smaller candidates who had no chance to win anyway. But how could they know that the impossible, the inconceivable could happen?? WE have the right to protest against an election that is not representative of the people!! it was an accident due to many small details that finally allowed Le Pen to pass the first vote. If I was in France right now, I would be in the streets demonstrating!! It would be so sick if people did not do anything, or did not react at all!!
I do NOT agreee at all with what has been said here. First, the 17% of the population who voted for Le Pen is NOT representative of France, or French people. What it says is that there is 17% of racists in France that believe that non-white people should be expelled from France because they think it will end violence... Le pen is clever in his politics against insecurity, but he just don't get it and he is successful in convincing some people in France, mosty old people and racist fashists. But those people demonstrating in the streets are protesting because the election is NOT representative of the people. The fatal mistake was that there were 16 candidates and that people did not realized that if they did not support Jospin, Le pen might pass. Those young people fighting in the streets, they have voted, for many of them, they just voted for smaller candidates who had no chance to win anyway. But how could they know that the impossible, the inconceivable could happen?? WE have the right to protest against an election that is not representative of the people!! it was an accident due to many small details that finally allowed Le Pen to pass the first vote. If I was in France right now, I would be in the streets demonstrating!! It would be so sick if people did not do anything, or did not react at all!!
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Time to re-open Bastille! Off with their heads. Wenda- are those young people really 'fighting' in the streets?
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They are showing REAL anger, yes! They are fighting against ideas that they do not share.
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I can tell you are really angry, Wenda. I would be angry too if 18% of Americans voted for Rush Limbaugh.
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didn't george wallace get something like 18% in '68 and '72?
i know, he wasn't a thug like le pen is, but his policies were racist and pretty damn similar to le pen's, all things considered.
(by the way, i think le pen will disappear just like wallace did, no matter whether he gets a well-deserved bullet in his ass or not.)
when you look at it i think you will be hard pressed to find any country in which much less than a fifth of the population has debased political morals.
i love france but i find it funny that the french are so surprised and indignant that le pen could get 18%. hell, they were the collaboration fucking masters in the war, weren't they? if anything good is to come out of this situation, it will be that the french will stop pointing their fingers at places like austria.
i know, he wasn't a thug like le pen is, but his policies were racist and pretty damn similar to le pen's, all things considered.
(by the way, i think le pen will disappear just like wallace did, no matter whether he gets a well-deserved bullet in his ass or not.)
when you look at it i think you will be hard pressed to find any country in which much less than a fifth of the population has debased political morals.
i love france but i find it funny that the french are so surprised and indignant that le pen could get 18%. hell, they were the collaboration fucking masters in the war, weren't they? if anything good is to come out of this situation, it will be that the french will stop pointing their fingers at places like austria.