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Pax Acidus is hard to find. I did a search of Bill Hicks and we don't even come up even though people had come to that page the most. Does anyone know how to improve our chances with the search engines? Sloth is very good at many things but he doesn't have a clue when it comes to this and it is something I've been trying to fix for five years. Any and all help will be thanked with a kiss.
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let's keep the love truce

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this is in no way directed against Larry. I love the guy. I just want to be found and read. I want the internet to work for us. Our Bill Hicks piece is as good as any outh there. Trust me I know, I was at his NYC birthday party last night.
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To the best of my knowledge, Google looks at four main things when it ranks a site:

1. Relevancy of Page title

2. Relevancy of Page content

3. Relevancy of the URL

4. Link Strength (how many people link to you and how many people link to them and so forth backwards)

Certain things hurt your rankings. These include:

1. Server session query strings.

2. Long URLs with database queries in them.

As for the BB of BB... that part of the site shouldn't index at all. Due to its complexity, it uses server sessions which Google cannot index (there are work arounds and I will look into them).

The best thing one can do to improve hits is to get other well - linked in sites (popular mainstream sites) to link to us in some way. Especially to the pages in particular that one wants to increase in rank.

All this being said... I don't know why we aren't indexing better right now. I will take a look at it this weekend. Looking at our pages, we are mostly outputting standard html with regular HTML tags and no database strings. It should index great!

Pax Acidus currently ranks 600,000 in web popularity. Nerve.com is currently ranked 16,000. So getting Nerve to link to link to us would be a good thing.

By the way, you can check web rankings at www.ranking.com

If anyone has anything to add to this, please let me know!
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Fuck Nerve. They suck. We should link to Eddie. He is a friend.
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Post by Sloth »

We should link to Eddie but you missed the point.

We need people link to US.

You tell everyone I don't know what I'm doing. In fact I've done 3 of the 4 things was needed to rank near the top. Back in 1997 I asked you to email a person or two a week trying to get a links to us.

If you had done this, we would have a decent ranking and be near the top of all the Google searches.

We deserve to be in the top 50,000 sites. Now that you've quit drinking yourself to death, try to email one relevant site per day asking for a link.

By next year we will have the rankings you seek.
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Right now Google only thinks 15 other sites link to us!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... acidus.com

We come up on the 15th page of a Google search for Bill Hicks


Yahoo sees 471 sites linking to us.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3 ... fl=0&x=wrt

We come up on the first page of a Yahoo Search for Bill Hicks.
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Of course this makes no sense and might change after the next Google upate which occurs once a month.
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Actually ...

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... you could submit the url for separate section of the site independently of one another to various search engines.

for instance, you could submit: http://paxacidus.com/bbofbb by itself just to get hits from the board. then the various search engine bots would scour all of the posts on the board and you would be ranked in search based on various topics from the packers to graham green.

i have a free multi-search engine submission built into my hosting account that i can submit various urls to so if you'd like, i can add some from here free for y'all. it worked for me. i've already passed 20,000 hits on my blog in just a few months which isn't bad considering i'm not nearly as prolific in writing as some bloggers.

just let me know if you want me to submit a few of the urls from here as well. it couldnt' hurt.
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Myke, you can do it if you want, but in my opinion it won't help at all.

Here is some more data on inbound links:

"Google Loves Inbound Hyperlinks

Being linked to by a respected site (in this context a site with a high PageRank) is the single best way to boost your listing. Being linked to from sites themed with related keywords amplifies this effect, especially when the anchoring link text itself contains relevant keywords (for example "cool leprechaun site" rather than "click here" being the actual underlined text on the foreign site). Of course, Google knows that you know that hyperlinks are important, so Google keeps a sharp eye out for a practice known as "link-farming", where websites attempt to simulate the appearance of popularity by either exchanging links with strangers shamelessly or by creating circles of forwarding-domains which all point to one (sometimes duplicated) resource. How do you know if your website's friendly reciprocal linking policy smells like link-farming? Simple. Ask yourself: is it your intention to deceive? In other words: are you being evil? If you're not being evil, you're probably in the clear (despite paranoid discussion threads to the contrary). "

- from A Modest Webmaster's Introduction to Google Grokkery
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I don't worry so much about driving traffic as in ranking but driving traffic as in readers to the site. Rankings can be deceiving but if you can get a search bot to pick up your site based on more various references (as in movies discussed, books, authors, references to such, etc.) you are in turn more likely to have new readers come to the site regardless of the google/yahoo ranking. Most I know don't worry so much about the ranking as who specifically is looking at the site. You are much more likely to get an actually reader hooked in to the site if you get linked based on something they are interested in.
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Myke I wrote this in an earlier post:

As for the BB of BB... that part of the site shouldn't index at all. Due to its complexity, it uses server sessions which Google cannot index (there are work arounds and I will look into them).

Sever sessions assign a unique ID to every visitor and thus when a search engine looks at the BB of BB it sees an endless infinity of pages and says, "fuck that, I'm not going there".

The only way to get a search engine to index the bb of bb is to trick the search engine into thinking it is a series of static pages using a mod-rewrite solution (this is what I do on the rest of the site's pages).

According to ranking.com, Pax Acidus is visited by 4,753 people per day!

Nerve.com is visited by 9,807 people per day.

That is the difference between being #600,000 and being # 16,000.

Now let's get out there and get some links!

I will work on making the BB of BB indexable.

In the meantime you got to get some larger, relevant sites to link to us.
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nycscribbles.com

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nycscribbles.com has linked to Pax Axidus!

Sloth knows how to get drunk. I rank him #1! And man I need a fucking drink. I think my sober time is coming to an end. Last night I wanted a Guinness and then I wanted a bottle of wine and so I went to bed instead. But I'm going to be in Wisconsin for a week. A week in the country! What the fuck am I going to do?
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I broke my 2 day sobriety streak last night with Mav and Tracy. I had almost lost my hangover before I started drinking again. Today I fee great and want to start another streak.

My secret plan is to drink Chamomile tea instead of alcohol as that stuff puts me out like a light and I don't have to think about shots of Smirnoff followed by bottles of Pilsner Urquell.

As for NYCscribbles linking to Pax Acidus, that's great but we need sites larger than us to link to us. Sooo, now either make NYCscribbles the more popular than Pax Acidus or still try to get us some links.

Last night I made a list of 20 major literary sites I will try to get to link to us.
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the big book

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what we really need to get into is the novel and short stories writer's market book!
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I link to you but I have absolutely no traffic so eh!

Eitherway though - I did find PA through google I'm pretty sure. I'm thinking it was via an image search on Kate Moss. I was bored last night and ran the same search and still found PA ... soooo yeah ... really random but there ya go.
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