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keep your top on sexy baby. but really call me, 212.979.5776. We can have phone sex. Then those great boobs will be just for me. Won't Mav Man be mad? Kyle and I had green tea all night. And we think that those who drink and get dunk are wasting thier lives. NOT having the time of thier lives.
And in reality the girl I really like wss like "I'm a mess. I love it." And then we kissed. Right Tom?
And in reality the girl I really like wss like "I'm a mess. I love it." And then we kissed. Right Tom?
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The vent returns
Oh....where to start.
You all are right...and wrong at the same time.
It is not an issue that is most important to most of you and the world. It is not the reason that politicians should be or not be elected. It is not more important than most of the issues out there for MOST people.
Never the less-it is important.
I argue this- That something as important as women having the right to vote-would also in comparision be deemed 'not as important' as world peace, terrorism, a war in Iraq- by those men living in the time when women were not allowed to vote. But to say, "there are far more imporant things going on right now-and let's address this at a more oportune time."???
This election and these initiatives passed in some states has made me realize this - that I am 33 and I am tired of being a self hating faggot who is ashamed and embarrased of who I am. I am out. I am open to my parents and sister. I have kind and loving parents and friends. I am proud of who I am around those people. But outside of that circle I hide. And I don't mean that I want to wave a rainbow flag and talk about gay rights to everyone I meet. I just don't want to have to watch what I say and edit who I am depending on where I am.
And not letting it out that you are gay IS a chore. Think about all the times in life a straight person tells someone else they are straight. At work-pictures of their kids or spouse on their desk. Conversation about what they did on the weekend. Talking about how good looking someone of the opposite sex is. Going to Thanksgiving dinner with someone they love.
I don't do that. I hide. I pretend. I lie. Because I want to get a raise at work. Because I dont' think Grandma will understand me. Because I don't want my cousin to snicker. Because I don't want a pilot to tell jokes about the faggot at work.
I am tired of living as a second class citizen. And you can say-things have gotten better. They have. Oh yes they have...how can I forget-we have gay bars and clubs. WHOOP DEE FUCKING DO! YEAH-I SO WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH METH TWEAKERS RUNNING AROUND WITH THEIR SHIRTS OFF DANCING TO THE LATEST BEYONCE REMIX. Life is a big fucking party for the young and gay. We have our set aside areas in each big town-full of overpriced porn, pottery barns, and stores that only seem to sell vanilla candles, and we're supposed to be happy with it. The same way college kids were happy with fraternity row. ....doing foolish things and fucking everyone in sight. That is the fate we are supposed to live over and over and over. We are not allowed grow up and leave the big city and fast life.
Why? Because marriage is not afforded us. REGARDLESS of whether you agree with the institution or not-that is another thread in itself. Debate about marriage is not the issue. Debate about being afforded the SAME rights and privileges is...regardless of how inane and foolish those rights might be-I want to be able to make the same choice. I want to have the choice of being as boring as those suburbian child raising dullards who choose to settle down. I can't think of anything better than being dull living in a house with a dog and adopted children. Taking them to school and reading to them. Allowing them to be loved and cared and cherised. Mowing the lawn and waving to my neighbor. But that will never be a reality in my lifetime. And I can't explain the hatred and anger and sadness in my heart that this creates.
you say-"It is just a license. And nothing else. You don't need a piece of paper to settle down and do all that.Fuck the government and that piece of paper.Even with it suburbia will never accept you. " Wrong-because it is a start, and in the end-without that same right-the psychological impact is that you are less than others. That love is only possible in the bars that are you are allowed to have. .......That concept of not being allowed to marry and the impact that has on one's psyche is so hard for straight people to get.
I leave you with yet another analogy-
It is like the government banning slavery and then telling blacks-"ok...you are free-be happy!!....
...oh-but you can't get married. That really is a white institution. You don't have to work on the plantation...you won't be whipped, you won't have to pick cotton..it's just..we don't think that black people should be allowed to marry-it's gross-it's weird-it's not moral. Let's focus on the IMPORTANT things in life now..ok? Marriage sucks anyway-why should you even care about?? "
What does that do to a man/woman? How should they feel?
Then imagine whites living in the civil rights era saying "these blacks are getting so mad these days....why can't they just be happy and not ask for more?? I mean-President Kennedy making SUCH a big deal about letting that black girl go to school....can't he focus on the important things in life like that crazy Castro??"
You all are right...and wrong at the same time.
It is not an issue that is most important to most of you and the world. It is not the reason that politicians should be or not be elected. It is not more important than most of the issues out there for MOST people.
Never the less-it is important.
I argue this- That something as important as women having the right to vote-would also in comparision be deemed 'not as important' as world peace, terrorism, a war in Iraq- by those men living in the time when women were not allowed to vote. But to say, "there are far more imporant things going on right now-and let's address this at a more oportune time."???
This election and these initiatives passed in some states has made me realize this - that I am 33 and I am tired of being a self hating faggot who is ashamed and embarrased of who I am. I am out. I am open to my parents and sister. I have kind and loving parents and friends. I am proud of who I am around those people. But outside of that circle I hide. And I don't mean that I want to wave a rainbow flag and talk about gay rights to everyone I meet. I just don't want to have to watch what I say and edit who I am depending on where I am.
And not letting it out that you are gay IS a chore. Think about all the times in life a straight person tells someone else they are straight. At work-pictures of their kids or spouse on their desk. Conversation about what they did on the weekend. Talking about how good looking someone of the opposite sex is. Going to Thanksgiving dinner with someone they love.
I don't do that. I hide. I pretend. I lie. Because I want to get a raise at work. Because I dont' think Grandma will understand me. Because I don't want my cousin to snicker. Because I don't want a pilot to tell jokes about the faggot at work.
I am tired of living as a second class citizen. And you can say-things have gotten better. They have. Oh yes they have...how can I forget-we have gay bars and clubs. WHOOP DEE FUCKING DO! YEAH-I SO WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE WITH METH TWEAKERS RUNNING AROUND WITH THEIR SHIRTS OFF DANCING TO THE LATEST BEYONCE REMIX. Life is a big fucking party for the young and gay. We have our set aside areas in each big town-full of overpriced porn, pottery barns, and stores that only seem to sell vanilla candles, and we're supposed to be happy with it. The same way college kids were happy with fraternity row. ....doing foolish things and fucking everyone in sight. That is the fate we are supposed to live over and over and over. We are not allowed grow up and leave the big city and fast life.
Why? Because marriage is not afforded us. REGARDLESS of whether you agree with the institution or not-that is another thread in itself. Debate about marriage is not the issue. Debate about being afforded the SAME rights and privileges is...regardless of how inane and foolish those rights might be-I want to be able to make the same choice. I want to have the choice of being as boring as those suburbian child raising dullards who choose to settle down. I can't think of anything better than being dull living in a house with a dog and adopted children. Taking them to school and reading to them. Allowing them to be loved and cared and cherised. Mowing the lawn and waving to my neighbor. But that will never be a reality in my lifetime. And I can't explain the hatred and anger and sadness in my heart that this creates.
you say-"It is just a license. And nothing else. You don't need a piece of paper to settle down and do all that.Fuck the government and that piece of paper.Even with it suburbia will never accept you. " Wrong-because it is a start, and in the end-without that same right-the psychological impact is that you are less than others. That love is only possible in the bars that are you are allowed to have. .......That concept of not being allowed to marry and the impact that has on one's psyche is so hard for straight people to get.
I leave you with yet another analogy-
It is like the government banning slavery and then telling blacks-"ok...you are free-be happy!!....
...oh-but you can't get married. That really is a white institution. You don't have to work on the plantation...you won't be whipped, you won't have to pick cotton..it's just..we don't think that black people should be allowed to marry-it's gross-it's weird-it's not moral. Let's focus on the IMPORTANT things in life now..ok? Marriage sucks anyway-why should you even care about?? "
What does that do to a man/woman? How should they feel?
Then imagine whites living in the civil rights era saying "these blacks are getting so mad these days....why can't they just be happy and not ask for more?? I mean-President Kennedy making SUCH a big deal about letting that black girl go to school....can't he focus on the important things in life like that crazy Castro??"
If I'm making any sense, then I haven't made myself clear.
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Tom,
Wow, you said a lot things that I've been tossing around my head lately. I can't understand this fucking country. This is the first election that I voted and I got so fucking pissed off I realized why I never voted before. I just can't believe that the majority of this country would support all the evil shit that is going on. I was honestly surprised, but I guess at the same time I wasn't. Life is too short to hide in shadows. That motherfucker said "all the right things" in his acceptance speach and it frightens me that people buy it. I was never truly happy with who I was until I got away from the people who looked down at me just because I was different. You only live once. As long as you're not hurting anyone but yourself do what makes you happy and don't worry what anyone else feels. If there is a hell GW will surely go there.
Wow, you said a lot things that I've been tossing around my head lately. I can't understand this fucking country. This is the first election that I voted and I got so fucking pissed off I realized why I never voted before. I just can't believe that the majority of this country would support all the evil shit that is going on. I was honestly surprised, but I guess at the same time I wasn't. Life is too short to hide in shadows. That motherfucker said "all the right things" in his acceptance speach and it frightens me that people buy it. I was never truly happy with who I was until I got away from the people who looked down at me just because I was different. You only live once. As long as you're not hurting anyone but yourself do what makes you happy and don't worry what anyone else feels. If there is a hell GW will surely go there.
But what I wonder (and I admit it's the media turning these gears in my brain) - is it the gay marriage issue that most drew those religious people out of their homes to vote? Was it a brilliant political card played in order to get elected? I do remember the period when the Bush Administration decided (or Bush decided) that the amendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage was suddenly a very on-the-table issue. I seem to recall it was around the time of the prison atrocities that were revealed or some such thing he wanted to cover up.
I'm not trying to make any points here because I don't know what my point is. But there's a word being bandied about these days: Morality. Morality OVER everything. Morality over the economy. Morality over terrorism. Morality over health care. Morality over world peace. Morality. People are saying it is "morality" that brought people out in droves to vote for our enemy. What is the solution to this?
I'm not trying to make any points here because I don't know what my point is. But there's a word being bandied about these days: Morality. Morality OVER everything. Morality over the economy. Morality over terrorism. Morality over health care. Morality over world peace. Morality. People are saying it is "morality" that brought people out in droves to vote for our enemy. What is the solution to this?
Zombies
I was watching my recently purchased Dawn of the Dead dvd after a good round, and thought to myself: boy, rather than nuking DC, it'd be great if Texas was over run with a zombie horde that just ravaged the countryside (midwest).
The midwest shouldnt be allowed to vote, speak, or breathe. fuck oaklahoma!
I'm terribly disappointed in Ohio, but it's god damned Ohio! I would rather shit along the highway in ohio because Ohio is fuck.
if you like ohio, i recommend trying heroin or something, because your life is already over.
When the world sinks into as much toxic sewage as this, i think you'll find people with heads, shoulders, knees, and toes go on little adventures.
Music tends to be better in turmoil... but not crushing turmoil like the iron curtain or anything. Just mild irritation for everything around you.
..which perpetuates the idea that brits make for good musicians. Who wants grey on grey, on mud fucking grey everyday?
See: Washington, NewYork, Boston, Michigan, etc.
The midwest shouldnt be allowed to vote, speak, or breathe. fuck oaklahoma!
I'm terribly disappointed in Ohio, but it's god damned Ohio! I would rather shit along the highway in ohio because Ohio is fuck.
if you like ohio, i recommend trying heroin or something, because your life is already over.
When the world sinks into as much toxic sewage as this, i think you'll find people with heads, shoulders, knees, and toes go on little adventures.
Music tends to be better in turmoil... but not crushing turmoil like the iron curtain or anything. Just mild irritation for everything around you.
..which perpetuates the idea that brits make for good musicians. Who wants grey on grey, on mud fucking grey everyday?
See: Washington, NewYork, Boston, Michigan, etc.
fuck that shit mother fucker, fuck that shit, fuck that
well, for someone living in a third world country, it doesn't really matter who wins in the US elections. no matter what happens, our gov't will always do evrything to please your gov't. i think that's how it really is. your current president will support a candidate here who will be most supportive of the US policies and make sure that that presidential candidate wins.
only a quicky today,
as in the days to come, because i am hurting (this bitch suddenly backed up from parking and didn't see me cause she didn't fucking look and i crashed my vespa and now my hip is blue turning black)...
marky: thanks once again for the super-kind words.
tom: very, very well put. you have a strong argument. i am almost convinced -- not quite though, but i will be thinking about it.
here's another tidbit about the gay marriage stuff, courtesy of salon.com:
"Bill Clinton advised Kerry to neutralize the gay issue by backing the same-sex marriage bans that passed in 11 states on Tuesday. Kerry declined. He has stated public opposition to gay marriage and support for civil unions, but voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, calling it "legislative gay-bashing."
"I'm not going to ever do that," Kerry said of Clinton's advice, according to Newsweek. Kerry has heard quite a bit about the fact that he isn't Clinton. He's certainly not a comparable orator or as dazzling a presence, and that is understandably lamentable. Perhaps Kerry also was less calculating than Clinton -- and if he had been, shall we say, "slicker" on some things, it may have helped him. But it's nice to know that on this issue, at least, he wouldn't completely sell out his principles and, along with them, gay Americans."
marky: thanks once again for the super-kind words.
tom: very, very well put. you have a strong argument. i am almost convinced -- not quite though, but i will be thinking about it.
here's another tidbit about the gay marriage stuff, courtesy of salon.com:
"Bill Clinton advised Kerry to neutralize the gay issue by backing the same-sex marriage bans that passed in 11 states on Tuesday. Kerry declined. He has stated public opposition to gay marriage and support for civil unions, but voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, calling it "legislative gay-bashing."
"I'm not going to ever do that," Kerry said of Clinton's advice, according to Newsweek. Kerry has heard quite a bit about the fact that he isn't Clinton. He's certainly not a comparable orator or as dazzling a presence, and that is understandably lamentable. Perhaps Kerry also was less calculating than Clinton -- and if he had been, shall we say, "slicker" on some things, it may have helped him. But it's nice to know that on this issue, at least, he wouldn't completely sell out his principles and, along with them, gay Americans."
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Tom,
Heartbreakingly well put. I agree, and if only more people who are in the middle, on the fence about the issue, could read what you have written, perhaps they might rethink their position. Not the right-wingnuts, of course, but at least some who never heard the issue put as succinctly might be moved by your arguments. Maybe we should print out copies and distribute them at Wal-Mart, or NASCAR races or something. Once again, well put, Tom
Heartbreakingly well put. I agree, and if only more people who are in the middle, on the fence about the issue, could read what you have written, perhaps they might rethink their position. Not the right-wingnuts, of course, but at least some who never heard the issue put as succinctly might be moved by your arguments. Maybe we should print out copies and distribute them at Wal-Mart, or NASCAR races or something. Once again, well put, Tom
Maverick you've done it to me again. Conjured up hilarious visual images in my brain of Paxaciders (including McC) handing out flyers about gay marriage to people in front of f***ing Wal-Marts. I'm laughing as I type. How long would it be before we were banned from any Wal-Mart anywhere ever? Not to mention McC trying to score drugs by offering to lick the ladies...good heavens.
I read some more things today in the paper about the gay marriage issue. It seems even some gays are questioning the way things have gone down:
"Some in the [gay] community blamed S.F. Mayor Gavin Newsom for providing Republicans the perfect wedge issue to mobilize their evangelical Christian base when he defied state law and issued more than 4,000 marriage licenses to gay couples in March. 'I think he jumped the gun a little bit,' gay Los Angeles resident Cookie Look said. They say overenthusiastic activists set back the movement - and gay civil rights - by years by insisting on the term 'marriage.' "
"I think gay people should be more respectful of other people's beliefs and not forcing their lifestyle and identity," said Mark Oleszek, a gay Wisconsin native who now lives in New York. "They could have obtained the same rights by just using the word 'union' or 'partnership.'"
I don't know what happened in the other states, but the article says that Georgia not only banned gay marriage, but also denied couples the right to civil unions as well.
I'm just saying I have absolutely nothing against a Democratic candidate marching to election claiming to be for a ban on gay marriage, getting elected, switching gears completely on that issue and saving the environment, health care, foreign policy, the deficit, etc etc in the process. I mean don't politicians do this sort of thing all the time? Didn't Bush say LAST time that he was going to be a "uniter not a divider"? And didn't he just say essentially the same damn thing again? I saw the recent cover of the Economist magazine cause it had a really nice John Peel article on their website and the cover has a picture of Bush with the words above him - "Now, unite us". I love it.
I read some more things today in the paper about the gay marriage issue. It seems even some gays are questioning the way things have gone down:
"Some in the [gay] community blamed S.F. Mayor Gavin Newsom for providing Republicans the perfect wedge issue to mobilize their evangelical Christian base when he defied state law and issued more than 4,000 marriage licenses to gay couples in March. 'I think he jumped the gun a little bit,' gay Los Angeles resident Cookie Look said. They say overenthusiastic activists set back the movement - and gay civil rights - by years by insisting on the term 'marriage.' "
"I think gay people should be more respectful of other people's beliefs and not forcing their lifestyle and identity," said Mark Oleszek, a gay Wisconsin native who now lives in New York. "They could have obtained the same rights by just using the word 'union' or 'partnership.'"
I don't know what happened in the other states, but the article says that Georgia not only banned gay marriage, but also denied couples the right to civil unions as well.
I'm just saying I have absolutely nothing against a Democratic candidate marching to election claiming to be for a ban on gay marriage, getting elected, switching gears completely on that issue and saving the environment, health care, foreign policy, the deficit, etc etc in the process. I mean don't politicians do this sort of thing all the time? Didn't Bush say LAST time that he was going to be a "uniter not a divider"? And didn't he just say essentially the same damn thing again? I saw the recent cover of the Economist magazine cause it had a really nice John Peel article on their website and the cover has a picture of Bush with the words above him - "Now, unite us". I love it.