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I'm in a bit of a shock. I've never witnessed something as historically moving. This was bigger than Iran-Contra. The first year of the war when Donald R. would stand up on his podium I couldn't believe some of the arrogant, anti-constitutional shit coming out of his mouth. He thought he had free reign to kill whomever, all in the name of freedom. Today Rummy didn't look so fuckin' sure of himself. He was squirming under the congress committee. And Evil Heat senator McCain, a right wing Republican, could barely contain his disgust. Rumor has it that there are a lot more pictures to come. They are trying to cover them up so the media can't get to them, but I think it's too late. An Arab reporter stated she thought the pictures showed the rape and murder of women. God bless America. It's time to start praying.
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I heard it. Rumsfeld accepted full responsability for it. Now the international community can charge him directly with War Crimes in direct violation of the Geneva Convention.

So Martino, which country is going be first to bring on these charges? Lichtenstein?

Me, I'm high as a kite and about to embark on a skiing vacation to The Great White North.

Toodles. And like McCutcheon said, keep Rummy in your bedtime prayers.
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First of all let me announce: I got a new monitor today!!! It all started because I got the new New Order CD in the mail of sessions they did for John Peel and such ("In Session", only available on import) and it has an enhanced portion where you can watch them on your computer doing the JD song "Transmission". You can't even listen to it on a CD player for this song, you have to put the CD in the computer. So I thought "Hey...I've been meaning to buy a new monitor for ages...and for once I actually have the money to do it..." So I did and Paxacidus looks so breathtakingly PRETTY!!!! WOW!!! It's a whole new bright computerized world all of a sudden! Even the screen is bigger than my old one.

I am waiting to see if Bush really has the balls to fire Rummy. I thought it was in extremely bad taste that Bush:

1) Failed to give an interview to Al-Jazeera because of anti-American sentiment. I would have done EXACTLY that in his shoes. It's the most widely watched network of the Arab world. To confront Anti-American sentiment where it lives takes courage and intelligence. Bush passed on it because he is arrogant, period.

2) Bush stopped short of saying he was sorry in the Arab T.V. interviews, but yet the very next DAY said he was sorry to the King of Jordan guy whatever his name is. STOOPID. I mean, it's not likely even any kind of interview Bush could do now would even begin to repair the situation, but I would have liked for him to at least say the word "sorry" PERSONALLY to the Arab world (not Condi Rice saying it, not a White House spokesman saying it...)

Will Rummy be toast? I've got my butter ready.
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mean-spirited but funny:

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Martino is right. This is not abuse. This is torture. And there are more pictures to come.

Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.� The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

But not all agree with Martino and me.

Rush the Fat Pill Popping Assholebrough said on his talk radio show that it was just a prank. That the soldiers were just letting off steam and having fun like they do at Frat parties.
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Have any British soldiers been charged with 'abuses' or is it just the Americans?
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The Brits were caught peeing and more on their prisoners. I don't have the link. I read it in the Guardian.

The pictures must come out. I believe they will. I love it how Rumsfeld said the pictures musn't come out because 'it will only make things worse'.

Worse for him, that's for sure!
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Whistler I think is the most beautiful place I have ever seen. It is fucking gorgeous. There is a blizzard at the top of the mountain and its 32 degrees and the skiing is great.

Take a gondola down to the bottom at 4pm and there are beer garden(s) and its 65 degrees and sunny and they are playing Happy Mondays on the loudspeakers.
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I just listened to Fox News (my favorite comedy channel) and they just said that Rumsfeld was the greatest Defense Secretary the country has ever seen.

They also said it is unfair to attack the military for these 'abuses' because it was only the work of a few. What were the rest of the military doing when these people were being abused? They were out killing the prisoners friends!

You have to love our logic at labeling the Iraqis who won't do what we tell them as insurgents and terrorists. Maybe these people don't want McDonald's and Burger Kings and US Military bases in Iraq. Maybe they are happy being unique and independent. Maybe they want to decide for themselves how much to charge for their own oil. Perhaps they are right to fear us and try to stop us from a hostile takeover of their country.

I think Fox News proved America has a serious case of denial. As a country we need to stop and start over.
Every day more Americans are dying.

Who is going to bring the War crimes tribunal against Bush and his cronies? Hasn't is been proven that Iraq didn't have the WMD that Bush said they did on National TV? And that Cheney was looking for any excuse to invade Iraq he could find? Why is it okay for us to torture Iraqis and not for Saddam Hussein? Why is Saddam Hussein responsible for the torture and abuses under his government... and Bush is not responsible for similar abuses under his rule? Why this double standard? What atrocities exactly has Saddam Hussein EVER done that America has never done before? We hear all this talk of Saddam murdering his own people... and of incredible abuses and torture. We've been there and done that. That is the pot calling the kettle black.

Who has caused more death and destruction in Iraq... Saddam Hussein or Americans? What gives us the right to invade a Middle Eastern country and do this to those poor people? Why are we spending our grandchildren's money on all this bullshit? We increased the national debt by 200 billion for this nonsense! We are seeing our young die over this and come home in body bags. We are making them think they are doing the right thing when they have never read a history book or visited another culture before going to Iraq to blow it up.

No wonder our soldiers end up making homosexual piles of prisoners and sticking things up the Iraqis butts and God knows what else we did over there but I imagine its pretty fucking bad.

Bring on the photos. After all, we paid for them with our hard earned money and what little remained of self respect. We need to be exposed for the self-serving hypocrites that we are.

"There are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq."
George Bush, April 30th, 2004
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Right on Sloth, that was a proper rant! hmmm. you're in B.C. i'm jealous of that.

Well it is all in front of us. Again and again. The administration is fucking everything up. We can all see it. There are still "known unknowns" like the raping of the enviroment. I'd like to see those pictures too. And the raping of the American middle and lower classes. And the raping of the third world. We're just starting to get the pictures of the raping of the once first world country we destroyed and sent into third world status.
But It's all in front of us and not a fucking thing is changing. Bush is still as smug as ever. The man believes he is on a direct mission from god. You can't shake that "ughhh resolve" as those flag fuckers say. He's out of his mind. I suppose we are biding our time at the expense of the Iraqis, Afghanis, Sudanese, Haitians. We're hoping we win the election...
but we won't. we may get kerry in, but it won't change a damn thing. we need something more fundamental. we need some change inside american people. and as i get ready to face another day dealing with it, it makes me sick.
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I think Bush just sat back and let Rummy and The Gang run things because he is too lazy and stupid to do anything. And now look at the fine mess we are in. How could Bush's God let this happen?

As for the home front it too gets worse and worse. It is sad that small business owners can't compete and big business is sending the work to other countries and now the working class stiffs can't make a living wage. They are stuck behind the check out counter at Wall Mart.

It's all enough to make you hide your head in shame. Oh what a country. Proud to be an American! Want freedom? Vote Bush in '04! Bush is for freedom of speech, freedom of expression. Gay marriage!

You know Rummy is so mad that those pictures were taken, he trembles even. He said it's against the US Army, it puts our troops in danger. Well, remember, if you don't want to get caught doing something bad, don't do it in the first place. Didn't they teach that in Kindergarten? Yes they did. They untaught it in basic training. Those pictures not only put our troops in danger, they put US people everywhere in danger. And they say it is isolated to only a few ‘rotten apples' that were playing pranks. No, this is a direct effect of Rummy thinking he had free license after 9/11 to kill anyone we wanted in the name of America. After 9/11 we had the sympathy of the world. That is all lost now by our arrogant, evil deplorable actions. Oh yeah, and THEN the abuse of the prisoners came out. What a bunch of dumb motherfuckers.

I think, as a collective conscious, this is the lowest point the US has been since the Depression of the early 30's. And yet, there are people who don't know this. Only 10% of Americans have passports, so you can see there are a lot of people who don't really give a fuck about the world. They see people die on TV in a place they have never gone and to them it is a video death. I've never been to Iraq but I have been around the world, and I know it is out there. There is a world past our sea to shining sea. Let's open our eyes, please.

On a brighter note, we still have Reality TV. I saw a bit of Survivor last night and that Amber is hot.
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"NBC News later quoted U.S. military officials as saying that the unreleased photographs showed American soldiers “severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi prisoner, and ‘acting inappropriately with a dead body.' The officials said there also was a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.�"

i like that one: "having sex with a female iraqi prisoner".

so: it's not rape, it's just having sex. using the term 'rape' would be needlessly inflammatory anyway, and would hurt the war cause.
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And who are these Iraqi guards raping boys? Are these the people we are going to give control of the country to on June 30th?
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Just a few bad apples. No, this is rotten to the core. Don't cha just love cliché metaphors? I do. I'm American.

The report by the International Committee of the Red Cross supports its allegations that abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers was broad and "not individual acts" — contrary to President Bush contention that the mistreatment "was the wrongdoing of a few."
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Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument :

Main Entry: 1abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüs
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French abus, from Latin abusus, from abuti to consume, from ab- + uti to use
1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : MISUSE <drug abuse>
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : DECEPTION
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment
synonyms ABUSE, VITUPERATION, INVECTIVE, OBLOQUY, BILLINGSGATE mean vehemently expressed condemnation or disapproval. ABUSE, the most general term, usually implies the anger of the speaker and stresses the harshness of the language <scathing verbal abuse>. VITUPERATION implies fluent and sustained abuse <a torrent of vituperation>. INVECTIVE implies a comparable vehemence but suggests greater verbal and rhetorical skill and may apply to a public denunciation <blistering political invective>. OBLOQUY suggests defamation and consequent shame and disgrace <subjected to obloquy and derision>. BILLINGSGATE implies practiced fluency and variety of profane or obscene abuse <directed a stream of billingsgate at the cabdriver>.
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