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torture vs abuse

Post by martino »

why are they kidding themselves?

with "they", i mean the u.s. media as well as the u.s. public.

i am talking about the incidents of torture in iraq, in which, according to the March 9 report by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, it was normal to be "pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape ... sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick."

still, CNN talks not about torture but merely of "abuse".

same, for example, at the LA Times, or at USA Today.

the new york times, as so often, seems to be confused on this matter; news articles speak or "abuse" whereas the editorials use the "t"-word.

what a parody of orwellian language. do people in the u.s. realize that all the media outside of the u.s. and uk matter-of-factly agree it was torture? does anybody care that never before was the u.s. so hated all around the world? as if an excercise in spin could make a difference.
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Right on man.

And if you want to test freedom of speech in this country just try saying that Pat Tillman wasn't a hero but a chump. One student has been expelled from his university, and is currently in hiding due to all the death threats he has received, because he wrote an editorial arguing that Pat wasn't a hero but was duped by Rambo movies and died in vain. I personally don't believe that and after living in the Evil Heat and hearing stories of Tillman in every sports bar I entered I respected him. But this student has a right, a constitutional one at that, to write what he believes.
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I am shocked that so many are offended by the allegations of this semi-torture and humiliation of Iraqi soldiers. It's like THE BIGGEST NEWS right now. I wouldn't call this torture however.

Torture to me is electric shock, being drawn and quartered, the iron maiden (I don't mean the band but maybe that one is torture too), having your hands or balls cut off, and stuff like that.

People where I live pee on each other and put broom handles up each others ass for fun. People who think we would not humiliate and semi-torture the Iraqis are crazy. America has a long history of this. Just ask Kerry about Vietnam. This is SOP in the US Military. Hell, if this is torture... then we also torture our own troops in basic training.

Anybody who ever had any intentions that we were over there to anything but stuff like this never read any history books. What did people think we were gonna do with the Iraqi prisoner 'terrorists'? Play Yahtzee? They are the enemy, etc.

Bush is upset at Rummy because now he says he learned about the semi-torture on TV. Bush is an idiot. This proves it. It's funny you can get impeached for lying about a blowjob, but not for being an unmitigated loser idiot.

Pat Tillman, hero or chump. Got no time for that one. Just another dead American trying to kill Bin Ladin for sticking up for his own moronic beliefs / values. This thing really is a Crusade, isn't it? I hear people say they want to kill every last one of them... my wife makes fun of the soldiers because on tv one said, "My job over here is boring... I want to knock in doors and shoot people."

And they say football is a violent game.
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Main Entry: he·ro
Pronunciation: 'hir-(")O, 'hE-(")rO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural heroes
Etymology: Latin heros, from Greek hErOs
1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3 plural usually heros : SUBMARINE 2
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion : IDOL
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Okay by the definition in the book, Tillman is a hero... Kerry is a hero... but so is Bin Ladin!

Is Bush, Cheney, or Rummy a hero?

NOT!
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sloth, you are one of the funniest guys i know
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Post by bfj »

I can't say this torture surprises me. It's just another two-week story in this saga Bush calls "The War on Terror."
I'd like to refer to the last 3 years and next 20+ as:
"The inevitable fucking up of a Christ charged super power whose only real god is money."

But PAT TILLMAN, the story of the last couple weeks. Anybody hear what is brother Rich said at his ceremony. Here it is:

"I didn't write shit because I'm not a writer. I'm not just going to
sit here and break down on you. But thanks for coming. Pat's a
fucking champion and always will be. Just make no mistake, he'd want
me to say this: He's not with God. He's fucking dead. He's not
religious. So, thanks for your thoughts, but he's fucking dead."
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Post by marky »

I regret to say I don't know who Pat Tillman is, but "Christ charged super power" is a delightfully inventive term. It reminds me of that commercial on T.V. about paper towels...the quicker picker upper? Or maybe the Energizer bunny or something. "Christ charged super power". Yeah, that's pretty funny.
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In the paper today: According to a new poll done by Gallup for the USA Today/CNN of a 1,000 adults nationwide, Bush's overall approval rating is down to 49 percent, matching an all-term low hit twice previously.

But here's the kicker: "In Gallup's decades of polling, since President Truman's time, no president has won re-election when his job approval rating was less than 50 percent after February of election year."
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Post by marky »

Sloth, playing Yahtzee with Iraqi prisoners is a terrible thing to do to someone! Imagine the mental scars from something like that. From then on, every time you heard any sound like the dice being shaken in the cup, you'd have flashbacks.
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