Does anyone really believe that Al-Quaida blew up the metro in Madrid?
Even if they did... I am still not voting for Bush.
I'd rather see Kerry, who supposedly served as a soldier, put them in their place.
I have been to Madrid, and anyone who wants to blow that place up is nuts in my book.
Al Quaida in Madrid?
Is Al Quaida really an organization?
Do they have a leader, flags, newspapers, pamphlets, t-shirts, and stuff like that?
Is Al-Qaida really bunch of fundamental Saudis? Fundamental Muslims? Fundamental Assholes? Freedom fighters with a bad hair day?
Or did Bush blow up the Metro so he can strike fear in everyone and get re-elected without fixing Florida?
Do they have a leader, flags, newspapers, pamphlets, t-shirts, and stuff like that?
Is Al-Qaida really bunch of fundamental Saudis? Fundamental Muslims? Fundamental Assholes? Freedom fighters with a bad hair day?
Or did Bush blow up the Metro so he can strike fear in everyone and get re-elected without fixing Florida?
I don't believe Al-Qaida had anything to do with it. I believe it was the Basque separatists. They said they traced the explosives to them.
On another topic, though I'm loathe to start another thread for it, did paxacidans read that Britain (or was it England?) recently passed a law to keep the pubs open later than 11 pm? I wish I hadn't forgotten to mention this here, but what a sea change. The pubs can stay open as long as they like, now. The story was they were tired of people who would drink really fast to get as drunk as they could before 11 pm, and then create noise and problems in the street when they all left. They said now when they clear out the pubs, they can do it in a gradual way. The article I read said apparently it is still socially acceptable over there to say "I am going to the pub to get 'bladdered'." Imagine if it were the same here.
On another topic, though I'm loathe to start another thread for it, did paxacidans read that Britain (or was it England?) recently passed a law to keep the pubs open later than 11 pm? I wish I hadn't forgotten to mention this here, but what a sea change. The pubs can stay open as long as they like, now. The story was they were tired of people who would drink really fast to get as drunk as they could before 11 pm, and then create noise and problems in the street when they all left. They said now when they clear out the pubs, they can do it in a gradual way. The article I read said apparently it is still socially acceptable over there to say "I am going to the pub to get 'bladdered'." Imagine if it were the same here.
I hate to disagree with you Marky, but the headlines of every major paper in the world can't be 100% wrong. Al Quaida is being blamed for this one. The impact on our election is huge. This is just what Bush needed.
From CNN:
"The investigation started by focusing on ETA, Acebes said, but broadened with the discovery of the unexploded backpack and a van containing seven detonators and a tape of Koranic verses in Arabic."
The cuddly Basques are innocent in this one. Basques normally kill specific anti-Basque people... not hundreds of civilians at once. After all... there could be (and probably were) Basque people on the metro.
Koranic Verses? Doesn't that sound like Satanic Verses?
From CNN:
"The investigation started by focusing on ETA, Acebes said, but broadened with the discovery of the unexploded backpack and a van containing seven detonators and a tape of Koranic verses in Arabic."
The cuddly Basques are innocent in this one. Basques normally kill specific anti-Basque people... not hundreds of civilians at once. After all... there could be (and probably were) Basque people on the metro.
Koranic Verses? Doesn't that sound like Satanic Verses?
I've always felt Al Quaida was responsible for this one. 10 bombs at the same time? This is definitely the work of Al Quaida. And look at the effect it had. The Spanish Conservatives are swept out of the election and the socialist party pulls off an upset.
Now the question is, what does Al Quaida have planned for us in late October, early november?
Now the question is, what does Al Quaida have planned for us in late October, early november?
Al Quaida better plan something big if they want Bush re-elected. Maybe people in Spain will vote for the Socialists out of fear of Al Quaida... but if they blow up more shit here then you can bank on more war, missiles, and bullshit overseas. Americans don't run from a fight, no matter who started it.
Many Brits still believe we bombed Pearl Harbor ourselves to get the people into WW2. I´ve heard them discusss it pubs.
I´m not saying Bush´s party was behind 9-11 and that they rigged Floridas election and they lied about the WMDs. I´ll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.
My only point was that this will not help get Bush out of office like it helped the Socialists take back Spain.
We all know American Presidents never lie to the public. Just ask Nixon, Clinton, Reagan, just about every President lies his ass off.
Yeah I don't think the Republicans are even evil enough to pull that off... although the USA did fund Al-Quaida for many years so its not COMPLETELY ludicrous..
Remember all the money we sent them for fighting drugs and opposing the Russians?
I´m not saying Bush´s party was behind 9-11 and that they rigged Floridas election and they lied about the WMDs. I´ll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.
My only point was that this will not help get Bush out of office like it helped the Socialists take back Spain.
We all know American Presidents never lie to the public. Just ask Nixon, Clinton, Reagan, just about every President lies his ass off.
Yeah I don't think the Republicans are even evil enough to pull that off... although the USA did fund Al-Quaida for many years so its not COMPLETELY ludicrous..
Remember all the money we sent them for fighting drugs and opposing the Russians?
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Actually I think that an attack on the U.S. would hurt Bush. His campaign is based on his "success" at keeping America safe. Another attack would mean we are not safe, and Kerry, the former soldier would eat this up. Allbeit disgusting political bantering amid death.
BUT... I have a sneaking suspician that the U.S. will come up with Osama Bin Ladin close to the election, which would be a checkmate for Bush.
I was in Kentucky and I bought this knife with George the Walker's image on both sides of the handle. He's giving the nazi salute. (because he's waving and the image isn't that great) and inside the box is a piece of paper with an American flag and it say "God Bless Amercia." Oh yeah, and the knife is made in China! I bought it so I could explain to them how the world got totally fucked up.
I need to put a picture up of it, how do we post pictures, do they have to have a URL. I ain't so good with computers?
BUT... I have a sneaking suspician that the U.S. will come up with Osama Bin Ladin close to the election, which would be a checkmate for Bush.
I was in Kentucky and I bought this knife with George the Walker's image on both sides of the handle. He's giving the nazi salute. (because he's waving and the image isn't that great) and inside the box is a piece of paper with an American flag and it say "God Bless Amercia." Oh yeah, and the knife is made in China! I bought it so I could explain to them how the world got totally fucked up.
I need to put a picture up of it, how do we post pictures, do they have to have a URL. I ain't so good with computers?
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Shit, okay, but I've got to put the picture up some time, maybe you can find one on ebay. Well I'm going to say to my kids, "This is where it all went wrong."
The piece of paper inside the lid of the box is a cheaply done American flag with the slogan "God Bless America." Clearly this piece was made post 9/11. I don't think that mantra has been heard more at anytime then after 9/11. And it's cheap and hastily done (It doesn't even properly sit in the lid) Much like the neo-patriotism that followed. All those american flags stickers on cars, does that mean anything? How about a peace sticker on your car? How easily most Amercians fell into the classic rally around the flag nationalism that has plagued so many nation.
Continuing on that, Bush is giving the "Hail Hitler" sign. I kid you not. We are talking about the rise of fascism here. The man thinks he is taking orders from god! And now he's into nation-building. It's scary stuff, 4 more years of that and where will we be. Plus the whole thing is like a Nazi Youth Knife. It's the beginning. Watch out when the boy scouts turn on you and drive one of these into your back.
And the knife, of all items. Such a violent piece to choose to but a man's face on. I mean what does that represent. We are going to respond to tragic killing with...more fucking killing! Look at Spain, what did they do? They took to the street, and are getting out of Iraq. "Kill 'em all and let god sort'm out!" Shit! 9/11 gave bush the knife. How did we end up in Iraq with more killed in the first year than in the first two years of vietnam?
Made in China! We're talking everything behind that. Globalization, Big Corporations, sweat shops, how about doing business with a totalatarian communist regime. When did that become okay. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't trade with China but I thought these people had "principles." Haliburton was doing business in Iraq, Iran, and Syria just a couple years ago. There are no principles when you can make money. And the knife is of such poor quality that it is only fit for stabbing people in the back, kinda of like a sharp stick. Hardly befitting for a president of Bush's caliber and heroism. Now I know a guy who says there is a man in Kentucky that makes these knifes. He buys the knives wholesale form China, blank, and then prints the image on them. How American is that! Most of our patriotic symbols are made in other countries. And this comes from the heart of the country most effected by the off-shoring of jobs. You would think they would stick to their guns and buy American but know they don't realize...
And that is the saddest thing about this knife. People don't realize what IS going on here. The guy I was wife burst out laughing when I showed him at the register. The woman said, "Well why are you laughing, that's a beautiful piece." I interjected, "Yes. Yes ma'am it is."
The piece of paper inside the lid of the box is a cheaply done American flag with the slogan "God Bless America." Clearly this piece was made post 9/11. I don't think that mantra has been heard more at anytime then after 9/11. And it's cheap and hastily done (It doesn't even properly sit in the lid) Much like the neo-patriotism that followed. All those american flags stickers on cars, does that mean anything? How about a peace sticker on your car? How easily most Amercians fell into the classic rally around the flag nationalism that has plagued so many nation.
Continuing on that, Bush is giving the "Hail Hitler" sign. I kid you not. We are talking about the rise of fascism here. The man thinks he is taking orders from god! And now he's into nation-building. It's scary stuff, 4 more years of that and where will we be. Plus the whole thing is like a Nazi Youth Knife. It's the beginning. Watch out when the boy scouts turn on you and drive one of these into your back.
And the knife, of all items. Such a violent piece to choose to but a man's face on. I mean what does that represent. We are going to respond to tragic killing with...more fucking killing! Look at Spain, what did they do? They took to the street, and are getting out of Iraq. "Kill 'em all and let god sort'm out!" Shit! 9/11 gave bush the knife. How did we end up in Iraq with more killed in the first year than in the first two years of vietnam?
Made in China! We're talking everything behind that. Globalization, Big Corporations, sweat shops, how about doing business with a totalatarian communist regime. When did that become okay. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't trade with China but I thought these people had "principles." Haliburton was doing business in Iraq, Iran, and Syria just a couple years ago. There are no principles when you can make money. And the knife is of such poor quality that it is only fit for stabbing people in the back, kinda of like a sharp stick. Hardly befitting for a president of Bush's caliber and heroism. Now I know a guy who says there is a man in Kentucky that makes these knifes. He buys the knives wholesale form China, blank, and then prints the image on them. How American is that! Most of our patriotic symbols are made in other countries. And this comes from the heart of the country most effected by the off-shoring of jobs. You would think they would stick to their guns and buy American but know they don't realize...
And that is the saddest thing about this knife. People don't realize what IS going on here. The guy I was wife burst out laughing when I showed him at the register. The woman said, "Well why are you laughing, that's a beautiful piece." I interjected, "Yes. Yes ma'am it is."
Tommy, gosh but it's funny when someone posts what I'm thinking but wouldn't have posted myself!
Jake, I'm with you on the patriotic post 9-11 consumer items. I had to go to another office for some training at my job recently and noticed one of those big round magnet things they were selling just after 9-11. It has some stars and stripes on it, and says...let me see if I can recall...oh yes "We Stand United...And We Will Not Forget". I found myself staring at it when the training got boring, because it just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean...is that supposed to scare the terrorists? Were all the bumper stickers you used to see on cars supposed to send the terrorists scurrying in fear? No, they were just these items that made money for someone, and made people feel comforted or something. I'm sorry but I just don't get it. I mean if you want to be patriotic, fine, but "We Stand United and We Will Not Forget"? Come on. It doesn't project strength to me. If you were an Al-Qaida sort and saw that, wouldn't you feel flattered and all that more determined to fuck shit up?
To all those who say the Spain election played into Al-Qaida hands should remember that the Spanish president went against 90% of his country's public opinion when choosing to commit troops to the Iraq war.
These people who demand Kerry reveal the foreign leaders he claims have supported his candidacy make me laugh. There was stuff in the press MONTHS ago about how many foreigners would like to see Bush gone. What difference does it make who talked to Kerry? It could have been anyone! Name a fucking country! And while you're at it, get real.
Jake, I'm with you on the patriotic post 9-11 consumer items. I had to go to another office for some training at my job recently and noticed one of those big round magnet things they were selling just after 9-11. It has some stars and stripes on it, and says...let me see if I can recall...oh yes "We Stand United...And We Will Not Forget". I found myself staring at it when the training got boring, because it just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean...is that supposed to scare the terrorists? Were all the bumper stickers you used to see on cars supposed to send the terrorists scurrying in fear? No, they were just these items that made money for someone, and made people feel comforted or something. I'm sorry but I just don't get it. I mean if you want to be patriotic, fine, but "We Stand United and We Will Not Forget"? Come on. It doesn't project strength to me. If you were an Al-Qaida sort and saw that, wouldn't you feel flattered and all that more determined to fuck shit up?
To all those who say the Spain election played into Al-Qaida hands should remember that the Spanish president went against 90% of his country's public opinion when choosing to commit troops to the Iraq war.
These people who demand Kerry reveal the foreign leaders he claims have supported his candidacy make me laugh. There was stuff in the press MONTHS ago about how many foreigners would like to see Bush gone. What difference does it make who talked to Kerry? It could have been anyone! Name a fucking country! And while you're at it, get real.