from pretty good to one of the worst

Myke115 · Post by **Myke115** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:07 pm

Guy Ritchie is his name. Maybe the sex is really good???

rabbit · Post by **rabbit** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:38 pm

im sorry you feel that way. i love madonna. i have a poster of her on my door. i havent seen her movie, but she looks damn good for an old lady. by that i mean over 39 or whatever. (20's dont count )

xquisid3 · Post by **xquisid3** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:56 am

i think you're right myke. guy ritchie was tasting nothing but pussy when he made that good for nothing flick Swept Away. I, like Mc, wanted my 6.50 back! but i think he was just trying to capture what madonna expresses in music-in film. bad idea. madonna is a horrible actor- but she does have talent. she's inventive, original and, i guess, can sing.

i call it the jennifer lopez, vin diesel syndrome. alot of 'out of the limelight' talent are tying to compete with the million dollar monkeys- these puppets who have absolutely NO talent but have the hollywood "look" and that are now running showbiz. and the majority of the population is sucking it up. what they need to do is turn off the MTV and read a book.

Post by **mccutcheon** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:52 am

Can someone tell me how the same man who made Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels make the movie Swept Away? Oh yeah he married Madonna. I even sometimes like Madonna- Lucky Star, Holiday, her version of American Pie, but the bitch can’t act and she ain’t sexy.

I mean the movie Swept Away is one of the worst films I have ever suffered through. It has no redeeming qualities except that the end is so over dramatically bad that you can only weep with shame. And the thing is you know Madonna was feeling it. It gives me the creeps that someone can be so removed from any artistic common sense. Obviously they didn’t have an editor or producer with the balls to step up and tell the happy couple what utter shit they have just put to celluloid. This isn’t a risk that went wrong like a lot of the later Lou Reed albums (I kinda like his last one) and it isn’t a film that is so bad it’s funny like Show Girls, where you can get wasted and watch topless bimbos over act. It is just bad. It sucks rotten eggs. It is one of the top three worst films I have ever seen.

What are the other two? #1 is an obscure film called Rapu-Nui or something, basically a Romeo and Juliet set on Easter Island when their respective clans divide the young lovers, and what separates the clans? Their ears- I’m not kidding. Here is some sample dialogue. “You are long ear, I am short ear, We can’t be together.” –Oh the perilous of young love. #2 is Robinhood Men in Tights, a fucking Mel Brooks piece of shit. I paid for two tickets 60FF each on the Champs Elysees. My date and I (it was our first) walked out after two minutes and went for drinks and ended up wasted and in bed together- between the sheets. (It was a matinee show.) Afternoon drunken Parisian fucking, you gotta love it.

So this brings us to why I’m writing this. I have a question for the tasteful Pax Acidus artists out there. What is the breaking point when someone who creates something great then creates something so worthless it drives you nuts because you know with the same amount of money, budget, people, equipment, whatever you could have made something so much better. When do the people we admire get thrown in the trash bin?

A common argument I have with friends is when they try to convince me that Mark Knoppfler is a great artist. I hated his song ‘Money For Nothing’ so much; it’s actually in my top three worst songs ever (the other 2? Whatever is playing on popular radio at any given time) that I will never listen or buy or support anything else he ever does. I just can’t bring myself to do it. I’m not man enough.

Now, I have lots of heroes who have slipped- Lou Reed the God and many 60’s rock n rollers, most young actresses that start out doing a daring role in a cool film and then end up like Heater Graham, Sloth (just kidding) but you know what I’m getting at. So the question. How far do we have to go against better judgement to keep respecting out idols after they slip so far that you can no longer, no matter what past glories, respect them in the morning?

Having ranted all this I must confess I’m not after great art here. I just need an explanation, or help with all these things I feel. I mean I just bought 9 12inch Flock of Seagulls records, in mint condition, for 99 cents a piece, that I found in the bins of a local record shop. I think it is very funny that one of the most famous one hit wonders has so many 12 inches out. And guess what? Not one of those records has the track ‘And I ran’ or whatever it is called.

Help?

Post by **mccutcheon** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:24 pm

And that book should be Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates

Post by **mccutcheon** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:33 pm

Oh and those Flock of Seagulls 12" are really good, mostly early eighties keyboards instrumentals and not the light shit either, more Human League Travelogue, than Human League Dare. I mixed a few with Felix Da House Cat, Schneider TM, Medicine 8 and Add N to (X) last night and it sounded good to my ears, very good indeed.

Post by **mccutcheon** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:34 pm

this whole Guy Ritchie post was suposed to be under art. did it move on me or did I move on it?

Post by **mccutcheon** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:34 pm

I found Rapa Nui. Scroll down the cast. Look at the actors billed as long ears, short ears. And Jason Scott Lee, Bruce Lee's son is now dead. And you ever wonder what happened to Kevin Costner, why he was on top of the world one minute Dancing with Wolves and the next minute at the bottom of the ocean with gills being chased by a bald guy on a jet ski? I have solved the mystery. It's because he produced this film!!!!! And hey Mav, the guy from the Police did the music, but I don't blame him. Oh yeah i forgot, The Police were to avant-grade for your CIA senesabilties, you like Sting as a solo artist.

Full Cast and Crew for
Rapa Nui (1994)

Directed by
Kevin Reynolds (I)

Writing credits (WGA)
Kevin Reynolds (I) (story)

Tim Rose Price (screenplay) and
Kevin Reynolds (I) (screenplay)

Cast (in credits order) verified as complete
Jason Scott Lee .... Noro
Esai Morales .... Make
Sandrine Holt .... Ramana
Eru Potaka-Dewes .... Ariki-mau
Emilio Tuki Hito .... Messenger
Gordon Hatfield .... Riro
Frenxa Reuben .... Heke
Hori Ahipene .... Overseer
Chiefy Elkington .... Fisherman
Ruihana Rewa .... Old Woman
George Henare .... Tupa
Rawiri Paratene .... Priest
Pete Smith (III) .... Priest
Mario Gaia .... Short Ears
Cliff Curtis .... Short Ears
Willie Davis (II) .... Short Ears
Lawrence Makoare .... Atta
Te Whatanui Skipwith .... Old Short Ears
Nathaniel Lees .... Long Ear Chief
Grant McFarland .... Long Ear Chief
Wassie Shortland .... Long Ear Chief
Tania Simon .... Koreto
Rena Owen .... Hitirenga
Anzac Wallace .... Haoa (as Zac Wallace)
Rakai Karaitiana .... Pure White
Shane Dawson .... Mud Colour
Henry Vaeoso .... Half & Half
Angela Gribben .... Long Ear Girl
Karaitiana Beazley .... Makita
Jade Clayton (I) .... Ngaara
Jenni Heka .... Long Ear Girl
Pitake Tuki .... Timid Short Ear
Liseli Mutti .... Pua
Michael Yost .... Young Long Ear Boy

Produced by
Kevin Costner .... producer
Guy East .... executive producer
Barrie M. Osborne .... executive producer
Jim Wilson (I) .... producer

Original Music by
Stewart Copeland

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:03 pm

Completely False, Mc! I liked the Police first and foremost. THat was pre my punk days, but I still like their stuff more than anything else I used to like back then. After taht I moved on to 7 Seconds and The Descendents, to stay away from Pop crap. You shouldn't be bashing sting, from what I've heard, he shares alot of your views on politics and music...he's not as vocal about sex theough...maybe thats his downfall in your eyes.

Anyway, Waterworld was probably one of those films that seemed like a great idea, but sucked in reality. It's too bad that happened, as it often does. Then again, I can't imagine why making Swept Away ever seemed like a good idea, but I guess those that have the power use it, and are damn proud of themselves that they have the clout to make crap, and then make more crap, just because they once made some good stuff.

That's enough of my oversimplification for today. See you next time.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:04 pm

Stewart Copeland Rocks

marky · Post by **marky** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:58 am

Your "punk days" Mav? 7 Seconds? Descendants? The times I've talked to you I never would have guessed you'd say these things. You always come across as kindof well...I don't want to say conservative, but...more like Sting, if you will. How amusing to know the word "punk" is in your vocabulary. Pray tell, did you ever dress as such? I'm intrigued. I had some "old punk days" of my own
my freshman year in high school.

Would love to hear those Flock of Seagulls 12"es, McC! I never really had much of an opinion on them. I always felt they were probably better than a lot of people who made fun of them said they were, but then again I never really investigated. I was disappointed that "Space Age Love Song" didn't age better. It sounded really great at the time...as did "Wishing" which was the only record of them I ever bought.

What to do about supporting heroes that have fallen from grace? I dunno. I'm not sure we should feel obligated to continue to support them if they've produced bad art. Maybe that's what keeps us on par with them as humans, what keeps them off too high a pedestal in our minds. But I know for my part, my continuing to support them is just me hoping for them to recapture past glory. For example, U2 still make me feel weird and conflicted today. I haven't cared two bits of shit for anything they've done in 10+ years (though I did hear a nice song about New York on their last album), but I don't find it easy to forget that in 1985 I was absolutely fanatical about them.

marky · Post by **marky** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:00 am

xquisid3, definitely what those people need to do is turn off MTV and read a book! Well said.

marky · Post by **marky** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:03 am

Also, my reply to the copyright thread ended up over in Magic Magicians & The Vells...

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:11 am

Yeah mark, you'd be surprised. I was never really able to dress too punk ( I went to a private school with a dress code), but I did have random parts of my head shaved by sexy punk pink haired girls when I was about 15-16(That didn't go over to well at school either, but that was part of the point). They'd bring their shavers to Youth Group meetings at my school, until the group was cancelled because of all the brawls between the punks and the skinheads. We hated them, because they were all Nazi and stuff. Where I grew up the surfers all listened to punk, and the dirt bikers listened to heavy metal. I was a surfer, so there you have it. I still miss my Seven seconds records, which I lost years ago, and am one of the few I know who liked Public Image Limited because tof their heritage in punk. See, even u CIA spies have interesting pasts...

marky · Post by **marky** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 4:24 am

Ha ha that's a great story.
Well I went on a serious Sex Pistols trip about a month ago all because I saw them for the first time on video, and you see the last time I went on a S.P. trip, I was like...15. I never expected to get captivated and oh how I was.

Besides them, I liked Minor Threat back then, and OF COURSE Dead Kennedys best punk band ever in my opinion. But then I saw the Sex Pistols on video recently and I couldn't get enough. The Filth and the Fury. A flawed film, but utterly amazing nonetheless.

Not that I'm saying they could replace PIL for me,
but, it was a lot more fun that I expected it to be.