Maybe the drugs don't work?

marky · Post by **marky** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 11:19 pm

A B-sides album exists then! Damn is that the
missing link!! I know a DJ who has played
Verve/Ashcroft and I couldn't figure out where
the hell it came from. Just never bothered to
look it up I guess. Thanks for that info.

Jack Chiefton · Post by **Jack Chiefton** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 2:07 am

I know what you mean Mark. I don't own a television myself. When I tell people that, they give me a look like I've been living in a box for the last couple of years. However, television IS American culture. Sometimes I find I can't contribute to conversations because they revolve around a certain sitcom or simpsons episode. But if televison is American culture, then I want no part of it anymore. Ocassionaly I do watch a movie at a friends, but that's about it these days.

Post by **mccutcheon** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 2:11 am

Richard has done some great stuff with The Chemical Brothers and a few other elctro guys but I can't remember the name at the moment. The album is Science Fiction I think.

Jack Chiefton · Post by **Jack Chiefton** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:08 am

For some the drugs work, for others they don't. The psychedelic guru of the 80's and 90's, Terrence Mckenna, died of a rare infliction to the brain. His tumor was so lodged in there, there was nothing to be done. Terrence Mckenna devoted his life to natural plant psychelics, mainly psilocybe, dmt, and ayahusca (or yage). He would travel the tropics of the Amazon searching for these plants. Once found, he would ingest some, but he would mainly take them to his giant plantation in Hawaii where he practiced the ethnomedicinal purposes of the plant. He amassed a wide collection of data on the plants. Dose recommendations, visions seen, ethnomedicinal purposes etc...

Terrence believed that the genus Homo stopped evolving after they stopped ingesting mushrooms. He proposed that early paleolithic cultures would gather food, berries, nuts, plants, mushrooms and eat them, obviously not knowing of the implications or the the effects of the food. Terrence believed that after eating the mushrooms, Homo sapiens would induce euphoric visions of stone technology, orgy, hunting, fishing, gathering, craft specialization etc...

After climatic changes over thousands of years, these plants became rare. This happened sometime during the archaic period in America (around 6000 bc), the mesolithic in Europe, the neolithic in the far and near east and the paleoindian period of South America. After these plats were harder to find, Homo sapiens stopped eating the drug induced ones, and stopped having ecstatic and euphoric visions. War then became rampant. Agriculture (one of the worst mistakes our genus ever made) became practiced, and violence took over.

Terrence devoted 25 years of his life to the shamanistic and ethnomedicinal purposes of these psychedelic naturals. Every day for 25 years he ingested dmt, psilocybe, yage etc... On April 3, 2000 at the age of 52, Terrence died of a brain tumor. His doctors assured him before he died that his rare infliction wasn't a result of his lifestyle of drugs. However, that fact remains debatable, and many people blaim the drugs for his death.

December 22, 2012.... According to Terrences time wave theory, life as we know it will end on that date. Coincidentally, that date coincides with the ending date of the Mayan calendar. Hopi and Shoshone myth foreshadow the end around that period as well. "the skys and ground will be filled with blaze, species will not know what to do as the fires spread, but will realize death is inevitable. People will be butchered."

We have come to a crux of evolution. It's hard to imagine evolving any more than we already have. We think we're special, but we are not. Like all ancient cultures, we will fall. It could happen next year, or in 11 years, or in 100 years.

If anyone is interested in Mckenna, do a search of the man on google. You'll find some of the most unorthodox ideas you'll ever read. Like Tom Robbins said "Terrence's material makes any mind lift itself from its cognitive Kansas."

Unlike Timothy Leary, Terrence didn't want to spread the word of drug use to young people about getting turned on. Recreational drug use is dangerous according to the man.

Terrence was a shaman, and unfortunately his life study possibly killed him before his prophecy could be viewed by his own eyes.

RIP Terrence, where ever you are.

Daily Taylor · Post by **Daily Taylor** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:33 am

Good call Mc!!!! The track I think you're referring to is called "Lonely Souls" and it's on an album called Psyence Fiction, I think. One of those 2 spellings. I think there's a track on there with Thom Yorke too. The coolest part on "Lonely Souls" is the orchestarted interlude about halfway through the song. Then after that the song totally changes for the rest of the track. It's a rather cool transition. Unfortunately, I never actually bought the album. Oh how I miss those fun Napster days......

Daily Taylor · Post by **Daily Taylor** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:42 am

Interesting stuff J.C., don't tell anyone but I'm conducting my own research too. We've established that the world will crase to exist on July 17, 2009. This came from my in-depth research committee. But, to be fair, I have to admit the were also doing research on Psylobin mushrooms too.

martino · Post by **martino** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:46 am

mac: in virtue of your obvious qualifications, you might consider joining me to go to the annual International Air Guitar Competition which once again will take place in finnland in july. i didn't get any award last year but i have been practicing hard.

bicycleprince · Post by **bicycleprince** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 10:15 am

Jack thanks for the interesting information. I think the world would be a much more peaceful place if more people would tune in and turn on. Prehistoric man was a great innovator. Sometimes I wish I were born thousands of years ago.

McC, your stories of being in the band are hilarious! Few things are funnier than public pukings.

marky · Post by **marky** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 5:27 pm

Okay, can't resist, Lou Reed lyric from
Velvet Underground's "Heroin"
"I wish that...I was born a thousand years
ago"

Not having ever tried heroin, I wondered
what he might have meant by that lyric...
perhaps he meant it the way you did...
I experimented with freebasing coke for
a few months in '96, had a blast (Blur's
"Country Sad Ballad Man" was my come down
song) but when it got too crazy I suggested
my friend and I stop, and it was harder for
him to stop than me. I was weirded out by the
fact that long after I stopped doing it I had dreams about it, despite not craving it in my waking life. Too weird for me when a drug does that to you.

Still have never done EEEEEEEEEE, but would
love to. Done acid plenty of times...mushrooms
only once and not really enough of it to do
it properly.

Thanks for that info on McKenna, I've heard
his name several times but he doesn't seem
to get mentioned as much as someone like
Timothy Leary.

Anyone here heard of R.D. Laing? "The Politics
Of Experience"? Just curious. Damn I'm writing
a mouthful on here these days...

ROSEMARY · Post by **ROSEMARY** » Sat Apr 06, 2002 5:41 pm

how about castaneda?

Jack Chiefton · Post by **Jack Chiefton** » Mon Apr 08, 2002 10:28 pm

How about, "I wish you were a cow during slaughter time.... POW!???"