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well at least you finally had the courage to put yourself on the record that you are, indeed, for this war. it's refreshing after all the waffling.

i take umbrage to your accusation of whining. why is it whining to have empathy with the victims of war? you might call empathy inconsequential if this were a war of necessity, a kosovo-like war for humanitarian reasons. but it is not; this is "preventive war", and your words makes you sound like a cold motherfucker.

Take umbrage all you want but be sure you are correct as to what I'm stating to begin with. My utilization of the 'whine' reference has more to do with the rampant feelings of dread, worry, impending doom, etc. I simply find that to be way overly melodramatic.

Well ... funny that you think I'm a 'cold motherfucker' ... because I don't want Sadaam gone so that I can have a nickel off of my gas prices. I want him gone so that the Iraqi citizens have the same opportunities over time that I do. 12 years of sanctions have done nothing to Sadaam but did burden the Iraqi people.

You can sit there in Europe and think me a cold motherfucker all day long while sipping your champagne on a tour of the canals of Venice. You've got your freedoms. It's great that you have the freedom and ability to voice dissent and call me a motherfucker. However, even if you're so truly against "preventative war", how about putting down your bubbly, getting off your ass and going to Baghdad as a "human shield". If you do, remember that you're about to give your life not for the downtrodden Iraqi citizen but for an evil despot to remain in power.

Spoiled free westerners with self-rightous sanctimonious attitudes coupled with plenty of wordage with no action ... BLAH.

myke

Point of note..

I have always tried to balance here my opinions on the impending crisis with facts and inquiries to the crowd here. Much of what I've heard against the war has had to do with the authority of the UN, the positions of France & Germany, the audacity of the US pre-emptively attacking a soverign nation, and the humanitarian issues post-war. My counter to those positions were how the authority of the UN was in question anyway after 17 ill followed resolutions, the newer democracies of Europe backing the US position, the US leading Nato (due to lack of UN authority) into the soverign nation of Yugoslavia, and the humantarian issue currently under Sadaam. I've never heard any thoughtful counter replies to any of that, just that it's all BAD, BAD, let's drink a beer.

myke

PS -- The UN just installed Libya as head of the Human Rights Committee. Hmmmm ....

we are getting absolutely nowhere with this example of verbal incontinence, and i have no interest whatsoever in a flame war, so i guess all i can do is ignore posts from this particular person from now on. like with bozo. and if it escalates like with bozo... well we'll see.

mc, i posted the pix under a different thread under the pax acidus forum.

Can you feel the hate in this thread baby?

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The dread comes from all sides, Mike. Not just the fact that we are going into Iraq. It comes from North Korea, as you stated (they aren't stupid, they know most of our military is one spot on the globe), but it also comes from the thought of terrorist retaliation for this war. Did you ever think about that?

I read a fascinating article about this Algerian guy who went undercover and pretended to be recruited by Al-Qaida so he could turn the bastards in to the authorities (apparently he had some relatives killed by terrorists in the past). The article described the type of men who get recruited and how and why, and I just keep remembering what that Algerian guy said: "America is about to do the stupidest thing imaginable. This will make it so much easier for Al-Qaida to recruit. It will nourish terrorism."

But that's not all of the angles from which "the dread" comes from, Myke. It comes from losing our allies abroad. It comes from the fact that worldwide, public opinion of Americans is at an all time low. We are hated, Myke. Believe it. It's the truth.

So you support the war. But you never answered my question either: if you think this is the right thing to do, is it always going to be the right thing for us to do from now on to invade ANY country ruled by a tryant? And how will we finance that, particularly without allies? (by that I mean, a sizeable number of allies, like we used to have, not just a handful of countries)

And if Bush hadn't had the idea to go and get Saddam, would it have occured to you on your own? I doubt it. This is what I can never understand about people who say they are for the war. It's like they're just following Bush without any brain of their own. It wasn't like all these people nagged Bush to go and do this. It's not like the impetus for it came from the people or from other countries or any consensus that this was something that needed to be done or was worth doing. It came purely from him, and then others who blindly followed. You continue to point out that there are a few countries on our side in this that don't happen to be French or Germany. I can't speak for them or what their motives might be. Maybe they just don't want to risk being on the bad side of a nation as powerful as the U.S. But as I see it, they're blindly following as well. Bush is a bully and he's been known to bribe. Maybe he paid some or all of them. Who knows? I know that Australia wasn't so sure they were going to be on board until very recently.

Many months ago, I read Blair had admitted the only reason he was going along was the fear that if he didn't, that the U.S. would act even more unilaterally. I bet he regrets that decision now, because he's just thrown his political career in the dustbin.

I never called anyone a motherfucker. And I've never fucked a mother. At least I don't think so.

I have no hate for someone just because I disagree with them. I do feel the heat coming in my direction, though.

I'm a pragmatic individual who trys to piece together information for myself in order to have informed opinions on issues at large.

It's great to have the right of free speech and freedom of assembly, ie protest. Use it. That's great. When the Iraq issues dies down eventually, if, though, you're really that concerned about the injustices in the world, go out and do something about it rather than sitting by and complaining. If you're really, seriously, that committed to improving the lives of the downtrodden, really put some effort into improving their lives. I don't see anyone shouting about the famine going on in Eritrea. Or women getting forcibly mutilated in northern Nigeria. Or roving bands of bandit killing farmers in Zimbabwe and chopping off the limbs of peasants who don't go along with them.

Seems sad that for the most part you don't hear anything from westerners (Europeans & North Americans plus others) about much of the inhumanity in the world until it's in the news and/or in vogue at the moment.

myke

PS. O, congratulations on your posting milestone.

PPS. Mark's post came thru just before mine so I'll edit and add in. Mark, just so ya know ... I have not blindly followed anyone in forming my opinions. It took me a long time to decide where to stand on this issue and I even made "pro & con" lists to help myself think about the issue. Now that it is inevitable (so it seems), I will support the troops. I can only hope at this point that we don't get bombed with chemical &/or biological weapons. Maybe one day I'll even get to vacation as easily in Iraq as I could in Spain or France. Whether or not Bush fostered the idea of invading Iraq doesn't mean that individuals such as myself or smaller nations such as Romania mindlessly are following Bush like cattle. Some folks actually believe the course of action is right ... though perhaps for different reasons.

Thank you Myke!

You're quite welcome, O. Don't throw me hate because I may have differing philosophical views.

myke

I have never thrown you any hate.

All I said was that I could feel the hate...

(you and martino)

Being compared to Bozo is the most insulting thing possible on this bb