Martino: New Morrissey

Tommy Martyn · Post by **Tommy Martyn** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:30 pm

Martino. I came across it as a reference to a reference of a review. The review was written by Clive James. I don't know if you are familiar with him. He is an Australian writer/critic/humourist/TV presenter. He has spent the vast majority of his adult life in England. If you get the urge to read any of his stuff let me know and I'll point you towards the highlights.

TragicPixie · Post by **TragicPixie** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:50 pm

I like Fitzgerald... but I like it because it's pretty. His short stories are definately better but his novel Tender Is The Night is better than Gatsby I think...
Then again, I hate Hemmingway. Mostly cause I'm a feminist

That and his style puts me to sleep.

marky · Post by **marky** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:27 pm

I read Great Gatsby in high school. I remember liking it fine enough, but it didn't knock me out the way some other books I read in school did. I like the movie, though. I think it's just a nice romantic story, not meant to be profound or anything.

New Morrissey is great. Painful to listen to in some ways, but that's what I expected. I prefer to listen to it just once at night in headphones and no more. There is this one part where he does this strange UBER falsetto bit that just makes me go "hmm, that's interesting". He obviously put a LOT into this album and though his lyrics are a lot more direct and less witty than they were, it's mostly still done with trademark Morrissey class. The music's not bad either, I'm glad he dropped the glam rock thing - that would have gotten old quick.

Okay back to literature, you bookworms!

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:35 pm

I can't remember what thread someone criticized Pixie's goth look, so I'll respond here.

I know the goth look is about 15 or 20 years out of date, but I've always had a thing for goth looking girls. Maybe because itreminds me of the cool sexy girls I lusted after in high school who wouldn't even talk to me because I went to the private prep school and looked all preppy. Maybe opposites attract. Anyway, although I have rarely dated anyone who could be considered goth, the look always turns my happily commited head, so no bashing on that picture, as out of date as it may be.

marky · Post by **marky** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:51 pm

Ha ha! See this is what happens when people start talking about literature in the sex drugs rock 'n' roll area! Everything gets all confused. BTW the goth comments are in literature, Mav, and I stuck up for her look, too.

marky · Post by **marky** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:54 pm

Whoops no it isn't. It's the LOVERS area where the goth comments are made. Sheesh. This is what happens when I'm too sober here at work.

martino · Post by **martino** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:46 am

tommy: my experience is that most people called clive are worth listening to.

also, my experience is that most things you recommend are worth looking into.

so please, please do post information on clive james. thanks!

while i am talking about names i should know but don't: who has read anything by larry mcmurtry? i just read his review of clinton's autobiography in the NYT and am tickled by his command of the english language.

Post by **Sloth** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:57 pm

This is quite possibly the album of the year and definitely the comeback of the year.

Well done Morrissey, you aging socialist poofter you.

marky · Post by **marky** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:44 pm

Well you see I'd come across this other new thing I was going to listen to at work and then I just decided on Morrissey at the last minute instead. It was nice to be able to play something that has obviously withstood several plays now for me compared to a lot of other music I have recently experienced, and be able to sing along here and there almost absentmindedly to it at work. Obviously he has some good tunes going here.

But yet once again I just wanted some happy music after awhile. It's potent stuff, this album.

And what kills me is that it almost seems to imitate the musical approach of his first (and best) album, and yet unlike with that album ("Viva Hate") he did it this time *without* the considerable talent of The Durutti Column guitarist Vini Reilly who is both shown and mentioned a few times in the 24 Hour Party People film.

My Welsh roomate left his DVD of 24 Hour Party People on the table in front of the T.V. today!!! I got to watch (or rather, hear) the extra interview the DVD has with Peter Saville, designer of Joy Division/New Order/other Factory artist RECORD SLEEVES it was the most amazing thing in the world to hear him say that the sleeve for Closer was chosen PRIOR to Ian Curtis' death!!!! And it came across as believable, because although I do believe Tony Wilson might embellish things and the film does embellish things...I don't really believe *Saville* would.
And I have such respect for his art! There's a poster on my wall of the sleeve for New Order's Power Corruption & Lies, and to hear the story of why the Blue Monday 12" was done as it was, like a computer disk...jesus...that guy just kills me.

marky · Post by **marky** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:52 pm

Peter Saville claims that Ian Curtis picked out the photo himself that appears on the cover of "Closer". Even if Saville chose the group of photos, Curtis still picked it, according to him.

Tommy I know you will take the piss and tell me he must by lying. I don't care.

marky · Post by **marky** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:58 pm

I always thought that photo must be of statues, too, but the way Saville described it, it might have even been staged by the photographer - what was the name? Bernard Pierre Wolf, that's it. I think so anyway.
Okay okay I know not everyone here cares about Joy Division record sleeves and art...onwards...

Post by **mccutcheon** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:49 pm

but I do.