we deserve death

[Kitten]

there is no fucking intelligence; it's a;; a binch of lies made up by a bunch of fucking oil-greedy bastards who're trying to distract us from the fact that they can't find osama, who's the real person that attacked us. they took my friend away. if my friend loses a leg then i hope bush loses a leg. if my friend dies then i hope bush dies. i don't care if that's wrong; he took my fucking best friend and won't send him back.

[mccutcheon]

WASHINGTON - Conceding a couple of "tough weeks in Iraq- they beat the shit out of us even though we are the best army in the world," President Bush signaled Tuesday night he is ready to put more American troops on the front lines as long as in ain't a Bush with the last name, and use decisive force if necessary to restore order. He said he was confident the nation would stand with him despite "gut-wrenching, we are doing the wrong thing being in a county we don't understand, but unlike most of Americains, I hate because they tried to kill my daddy" televised images of fallen Americans. But no Bushes, of course.

In a combination speech and news conference at the White House, Bush rejected suggestions that Iraq was becoming another Vietnam — a quagmire without ready exit. "I think that analogy is false, in Vietnam history showed we shouldn't have been there in the first place, in this conflict everyone knows we need to die for oil" he said. "I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops and sends the wrong message to the enemy. We have to kill the bastards, and if Americans die, well so be it. That is why they sighned up for the army any way, to be non thinking, killing machines, and any soul who signs on the dotted line deserves to die, except me of course who took a holiday when the going got rough."

Allah Bless America!!

[marky]

Actually, what scares me is Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the military's chief spokesperson in Iraq. According to today's Seattle Times, and I swear I'm telling the truth, this is actually what is in print before me:
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He [Kimmitt] said news outlets that said U.S. forces were responsible for large numbers of civilian casualites should simply be ignored.

"On the images of American and coalition forces killing innocent civilians, my advice to you is change the channel," he said. "...The stations that are showing Americans killing women and children are not legitimate channels."
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Pardon me. Since I don't watch T.V., I don't exactly know what is being shown, but excuse me WHAT?!?!?! Is this real? Are we in 2004? Is the son of George Bush in office?
Is the pope Catholic? Am I hallucinating? Didn't someone once say truth was stranger than fiction? Again, I ask you, was that guy for real? Did a government/military official REALLY say that? Have I been sent into some kind of Twilight Zone television programme? Is this shit reality?? I just can't believe it.

Sadly, I've also found it harder of late to believe Kerry will win. But last night I suddenly thought...maybe if he totally starts talking about God a lot, he might.

[sara]

I read, or rather the hubby read and passed on to me on Sunday, that 6 American soldiers have depleted uranium poisoning -- this was in po-dunk's paper. Didn't someone here mention that shit a year ago -- yes, they did, it was Sloth, I looked at the pictures, it was the most pathetic thing I've seen in my life. I don't know a damn thing -- this I know though -- those pictures were of people.

And guess what the top 4 nonfiction hardbacks are (Book Sense: Independent Bookstores for Independent Minds)
1. Against All Enemies
2. The South Beach Diet
3. The Purpose-Driven Life
4. The Sexy Years -- by Suzanne Somers

[Kitten]

what a fucking sad list of books man.

[Sloth]

The reason we use depleted uranium bullets is so:

1) So we can safely dispose of this toxic uranium in someone elses country...

2) It goes through fucking anything, even heavily armed tanks (not that the civilians we are fighting have tanks). You see when a uranium bullet is used in combat it goes THROUGH a tank and is so hot it ignites the oxygen inside the tank burning everyone inside to a crisp.

3) Anyone actually shot, even nipped, with such a bullet will die... if not immediately... then eventually a horrible death of cancer.

4) Because all the Nazis and Ruskies are socialists now and SOMEONE has to be the evil bastards. Go America!

[Sloth]

Those are a sad bunch of books. One day I want Pocketful of Sloth and Planet of the Ravers to be on the top 10 list.

[Kitten]

hey now, my grandparents were german nazis. my whole family is blonde blue-eyed. sometimes i think we were an aryan lab experiment. but seriously, i'm not a nazi, i don't agree with it or anything. but it's literally my shameful heritage. fuck confederate heritage, i'm german all the way.

[JC(no not christ)]

What the hell does "fuck confederate heritage" have anything to do with this forum Kitty Kat? If I had to choose between a nazi or a nazi sympathizer and a "confederate" to hang out with, I'd choose the latter. At least the beer would be flowing all night long, hot damn i reckon.

[Kitten]

i said that b/c i'm southern, which you would not know. i would not be able to choose as i hate both.

[mccutcheon]

You don't think the nazi's had beer? One of the reasons asshole Hitler came to power was he was giving all these speeches in the beer halls of Munich. If the Krauts would have stuck to the wienershnitzel and lowenbrow (both spelled finetically) and went home to sleep off the hangovers than things might have been very different indeed. Or not.

[mccutcheon]

A Danish businessman was believed kidnapped in Iraq (news - web sites), Denmark's Foreign Ministry said Friday, while a Chinese citizen was reportedly released amid a wave of abductions that have accompanied heightened violence in postwar Iraq.

what does this mean, postwar?

[Sloth]

Jospeh Senator Biden said we should send more troops to Iraq. What is he... stupid? MORE TROOPS? MORE?

Now everyone is saying that... more troops.

WHAT ABOUT BRINGING THE SOLDIERS HOME AND APOLOGIZING TO THE WORLD COMMUNITY FOR INVADING UNDER FALSE PRETENSES AND WITHOUT A UN RESOLUTION?

Then maybe the UN will do something that the Iraqi people can live with. They are sick of us blowing up mosques and sick of Israel running roughshod over the Palestinians and blowing up old men in wheelchairs from attack helicopters.

I don't want to sound like a terrorist but we seem to have used 9-11 as an excuse to invade a country we didn't like. That is just not right. How is that going to bring stability to the Middle East?

Iraq was a horrible place to live and Saddam needed to be arrested and tried for war crimes. But these things have to be done by a truly international body. The USA has become a rogue nation and that is dangerous. The coalition is a farce and now we are seeing other countries pulling out. What percentage of the coalition is American? About 85% That is not a coalition... that is just a feel good way for America is to become a rogue nation.

[Sloth]

If the war is over why do we want to send more troops? Is there an after party?

[mccutcheon]

War Wears on Voters in Key Minnesota Suburbs
Fri Apr 16, 7:55 AM ET Los Angeles Times

By Michael Finnegan Times Staff Writer

COON RAPIDS, Minn. — The wrinkles in Pearl Dick's 81-year-old face folded into a grimace of anger and disappointment as she scolded President Bush.

"I voted for him, but damn it, I'm not happy with what he's done" in Iraq, she said after noontime macaroni at a diner in this Minneapolis suburb. "You know, let them fight their own battles, for chrissakes. Why should we go over there and do it?"

The gravel-voiced retiree said the killing of U.S. troops was "making me sick." So after years of voting mostly Republican, she was leaning against backing Bush this year. "That's what's really been hurting me: Every day, it's a Marine, and it's from around here."

In Coon Rapids and other suburbs of Minneapolis and its twin city, St. Paul, the political damage that Bush has suffered because of the upsurge of violence in Iraq is unmistakable.


If those qualms persist, it could pose a significant threat to Bush's reelection hopes. Voters in these suburbs have become the key to carrying Minnesota, one of the closely contested states in the 2004 presidential race. And their views are apt to reflect those in similar communities that could be decisive in other crucial states.


"I would certainly expect what you're seeing in Minnesota to be mirrored in the suburbs of Chicago or Cleveland or Detroit or Philadelphia or Milwaukee," said Rhodes Cook, an election analyst who publishes a nonpartisan Washington newsletter on national voting trends.


Whoever wins those suburbs "is very likely to win the White House as well," he said. "It's critical."


In 2000, Democrat Al Gore defeated Bush in Minnesota by a surprisingly close 2.4%; Bush lost just four states by a narrower margin. So this year, both parties have made this vast state on the Canadian border — with its prize of 10 electoral votes — a top target.


Bush is heavily favored in rural Minnesota, apart from mining areas where organized labor is strong. His presumed Democratic rival, Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, should get strong support in the urban core of the twin cities.


That makes political battlegrounds out of quiet suburbs like Anoka, just up the Mississippi River from Coon Rapids. And there, where a blast of warm air this week swept away the fierce northern winter, Iraq is very much on the minds of voters such as Beverly McDonald, 74, a retired bank mailroom supervisor.


"I don't think we really should have gone in there in the first place," she said on a walk to the bank to fetch coins to do laundry.


McDonald voted for Bush in 2000 but opposes his reelection, mainly because of the war. What bothered her most, she said, was his premise for invading Iraq — the allegations that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction.


"I just don't think [Bush] has been honest with the public about it," she said as she walked on Main Street in Anoka, best known as the place where "A Prairie Home Companion" radio host Garrison Keillor grew up.


Despite such misgivings, many others interviewed this week in the Minneapolis suburbs remain firmly behind Bush on Iraq.


William Schwandt, 35, a South St. Paul behavior analyst for autistic children, voted for Gore in 2000 but said Bush was "doing what he needs to do," given the "Hitleresque" nature of Hussein's regime. As a result, Schwandt said, Bush could still win his support in November.


For both parties, Minnesota is rich with potential; its voters are among the most independent-minded in the country. They list no political party when they register to vote.


Nationally, they are known for sending Democrats to the U.S. Senate, among them Hubert H. Humphrey, Eugene McCarthy, Walter F. Mondale and Paul Wellstone. But they stunned the country by electing wrestler Jesse Ventura, a Reform Party candidate, as governor in 1998.

They also lean regularly toward Republicans, choosing Richard Nixon (three times), Gerald Ford (once) and Ronald Reagan (twice) for president. In 2002, they elected Republicans Tim Pawlenty and Norm Coleman to replace Ventura and Wellstone, respectively, and the GOP picked up seats in the state Legislature.

Good showings in the twin cities' suburbs were essential to the GOP victories two years ago. Still, analysts attribute the Republican surge more to stumbles by Democrats than to any shift in voter ideology.

"It may be the most inept Democratic Party in the northern half of the country," said Lawrence Jacobs, a University of Minnesota political science professor. "It's really poorly organized, makes a lot of bad decisions."

In late January, a poll by the St. Paul Pioneer Press and Minnesota Public Radio found Bush and Kerry running roughly even. But since then, national security issues — long seen as Bush's ace in the election — have posed new troubles for the president.

In Minnesota and elsewhere, concerns about Bush's policies have grown as the situation in Iraq has worsened. A Newsweek poll last week found 51% of Americans disapproved of Bush's handling of Iraq. The survey also reported that public approval of his anti-terrorism efforts had dropped to 59% from 70% earlier this year.

Minnesota has lost eight troops in Iraq, three of them in the last two weeks. The local news carried stories this week of sobbing, white-gloved Marines carrying the casket of a 22-year-old comrade, Tyler Fey, to his grave in Eden Prairie, a suburb southwest of Minneapolis.

At the funeral, his brother, Ryan, 25, told mourners he was angry at "politicians in Washington" who had "sent my brother on a second tour of Iraq after I thought he'd done his part in the initial invasion."

Pawlenty, who heads Bush's reelection campaign in Minnesota, attended the funeral. A few hours later, the governor called the Iraq war "a mess," telling Associated Press that voters in his state wanted to know, "What's the end game here?"

Among such voters is Todd Peter, 41, a chiropractor. At a golf driving range in Eagan — the Minneapolis suburb where alleged Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui took flying lessons — Peter said the human cost in Iraq had grown too high.

Peter recalled the Republicans he had voted for; Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Pawlenty came to mind. But Peter voted against Bush in 2000 and said the Iraq war would lead him to do so again.

Public anxiety over Iraq has worried key Bush campaign aides, but they played down its ultimate political significance.

Vin Weber, a former Minnesota congressman who chairs Bush's campaign in much of the Midwest, said voters for weeks had been "seeing deaths on TV, and reading about it, and seeing victims' families interviewed, and it's a bad situation."

"But they're not being asked to cast a vote between two candidates today," he said. In the fall, Weber said, when voters ask whether Bush or Kerry could better protect the country over the next four years, "the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq will end up as a political asset for the president."

Like many in other parts of the country, some Minnesotans have strong opinions on Bush — pro and con — that are unlikely to be swayed by events in Iraq.

Marcie Craven, 44, a South St. Paul teacher, would "sell my house and give it to the man." A neighbor, John Masink, 53, a retired grocery store executive, calls Bush "a doorknob."

For the remaining months of the campaign, a crucial challenge for the president will be to win back the loyalty of voters such as mortgage banker Tarri Hines of Coon Rapids. Hines, 47, voted for Bush in 2000, but is tilting against him now because of the war.

"It's time to wrap it up," she said. "We've done what we need to do, and now what we need to do is turn it over to the people who live there. We need to be out of there."


Bush is a real coon ass yes he is.